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Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Will Hacker News be blocked? It looks like it's currently available: http://www.blockedinchina.net/?siteurl=news.ycombinator.com

Based in China. There are occasional times I'm unable to access HN without VPN. No idea if that's because it's being blocked or packets just aren't being given priority. Admittedly, China's pipes to the rest of the world are not very large.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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2, 3 and 5 are illegal in Canada (disclosing state secrets, inciting ethnic hatred/violence, and slander).

That's a generous reading of those points. You're not including everything. #2 - endangering national security, or harming national honor and interests [national honor? not illegal in Canada] #3 - undermining national unity, or going against ethnic customs and habits [going against ethnic habits? not illegal in Canada] #5 - insulting or slandering others, infringing upon the legitimate rights of others [I'll give you…

> You're not including everything.

And you're not including the first words of each bullet point, which clearly ARE illegal here.

- disclosing state secrets, endangering national security, or harming national honor and interests

Illegal, possibly illegal, and while we don't have a concept of national 'honor', going against national interests can be illegal, depending on context.

- inciting ethnic hatred or ethnic discrimination, undermining national unity, or going against ethnic customs and habits

Even the second point (inciting ethnic discrimination) is contrary to our hate speech laws, and the first point definitely is.

- spreading rumors, disturbing social order, or undermining social stability

I didn't include this because it's a maybe, but unfounded rumours are often considered slander, and disturbing social order is often considered hate speech (though not always).

- insulting or slandering others, infringing upon the legitimate rights of others

Illegal.

> Note that all of these are vague, intentionally vague at that. Whether or not you violated these rules is entirely up to the interpretation of the CCP.

You're not familiar with 'common law', are you? Canada's law system (I assume the same holds true for other countries who adopted Britain's system of laws) isn't set in stone, are quite a bit is left to interpretation. It's not particularly unusual.

For instance, our last government used an anti-terrorism law to try strip the citizenship of and deport someone who was born in Canada, on the basis that he 'could' be eligible for citizenship in a country he's never stepped foot in. Granted he was convicted of a crime, but goes to show that, even in Canada laws can be interpreted rather broadly.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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> People there are very unsatisfied with the government but they're also afraid of revolution. Sounds like the west. Yet we're too fat, lazy and complacent to do anything. Bernie and Trump are achieving some success because of this, but in the end Hillary will win (possibly through some sort of shenanigans), continue towards Obama and the establishment's police state, and once again the people will lose. It's funny h…

People may be dissatisfied with the government in the west, but the context is different. People in China have fresh memories of shortage and hardship. My wife is 26 years old and remembers a childhood where meat could only be bought once a week. The people do not want to loose the prosperity of the last ten years.

Again, not much different than here. Meat prices have skyrocketed in Canada, as have produce prices, and the prices of everything else. We're in a recession. There's hardly any employment opportunity for recent grads. Almost all my family has gone to the US. On the plus side, my 1.5 hour commute (each way) is now 25 minutes.

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Hadn't thought about this before your comment, but this could be a reason for continuing to drive themselves. If they are willing to exceed the speed limit, they can get to their destination faster than a self driving car with speed limit enforced by software.

Say you are driving 10 mph over the speed limit on a 60 mph highway for an hour, the maximum time savings is less than 10 minutes out of an hour. If the trip is shorter or you have stop, turns, traffic, the savings are even less. So in most cases except long distance drives, the savings are minimal. It is just that we are all impatient.

Riding my motorcycle to work, I might bend a few laws - especially as London increasingly becomes 20mph throughout. But it reduces my commute from ~35 minutes (flow of traffic) to ~17 (filtering and exercising discretion when there's good visibility on an clear road, as is frequently the case since that's what traffic lights do - clear the road).

The twenty minutes or so morning and evening, 35-40 minutes overall is not to be sniffed at. The round trip on public transport would be well over 90 minutes.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Selective enforcement of laws in very common in many countries. If they enforce is too harshly then people will protest. For example exceeding the speed limit while driving.

Harsh enforcement also causes their revenue to drop. Several of the towns which depended upon speed traps for their funding found out that the Internet is a good resource for letting people know to avoid an area. This will be interesting when self-driving cars don't ever disobey traffic laws.

This happened near where I live. There was a small bridge under construction in an otherwise unremarkable county where it is common practice to speed 10 over on the highway, so 65 mph actual speed.

They dragged on the construction for more than a year making barely any progress so that they could keep the construction zone open. (2x fines) The bridge was crossing a ravine at the bottom of a hill so they just kept a couple cops parked there every day and pulled over everyone with an out of state license plate all day and the county made millions. Eventually people caught on and sued. Bridge was finished nearly immediately after that.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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I would say bad China, but given how polarised and politicised the Western media is, I find it hard to fault them.

Unbiased journalism seems such a quaint concept these days, and as the divisions between right and left take on an almost war like characteristic, everything becomes propaganda.

Hell, I might even move to China to get away from it all.

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There are some qualifiers around this alarming headline. According to this story [ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-set-to-ba... ]: 'This ban covers words, pictures, maps, games, animation and sound of an "informational and thoughtful nature" -- unless they have approval from the State Administration of Press, Publication, Radio, Film and Television.' Still it's very onerous but not a complete shutd…

Uh, exactly what part of a foreign-invested news site would NOT fall under those criteria? The site map? This is a wholesale ban.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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"banning all foreign media from publishing online in China" Seems like a contradiction. Are you publishing online, or in China?

Uh, I think this means the firewall will block you unless your investment is 100% mainland and you have a license.
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