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Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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Damn. Cause if someone patented NullPointerExceptions they'd sure be rich.

Done. [1] 1. http://www.google.co.ug/patents/EP0881577A2?cl=fi

This is an extremely narrow patent that doesn't do anything like claiming all uses of null pointer exceptions. It just claims what strikes me as a rather minor optimization on how attempts to dereference a null pointer can be detected. It surprises me a little that it was considered worth patenting, but I guess it is fairly general in that it could be used in a lot of language implementations. The benefit is hardly worth writing home about, though.

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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I have a modest proposal to get rid of these patent trolls and these ridiculous settlements that typically are decided by a jury of West Texas farmers. Patents ought to be designated a non-transferrable property. Inventors may create a trust that receives patent revenues, and direct those revenues to any entity they please (their own company, their heirs, another company, a charity, etc.) but would not be able to act…

Or how about we hard delete all software patents since they are absolutely ridiculous? Goodbye $600mil flow charts.

But if we don't have software patents, how else will we incentivize mega-corporations like amazon to invent innovative new technologies like a 1-click checkout button?

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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Why not a bounty amongst the industry for whoever takes a patent troll to court and wins? The way it works now is that most defendants want to settle because the legal costs are too high for the defendant, and the patent trolls know this. If the defendants pooled their money for anyone who took them to court and won (not even a full patent co-op, which has its own challenges) - would that change how the patent trolls…

I have an even better idea. Why not the industry just maintain a blacklist of trolls? The said troll will not get any support in the IT industry wherever he goes across the USA. From hardware to software to networking, the troll will be deprived of services. Not just that, the tech blogs in the industry can also defame the trolls, so one day that understand the consequences and think thrice before trolling.

Sounds like an anti-trust action waiting to happen.

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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Typically the 'troll' label is applied to companies like Virnetx because they produce nothing of value. They are strictly rent seekers - net negative economic value creators. "It's a massive verdict for VirnetX, a company that has no products and makes its money solely through patent litigation."

Even that's selectively looking at the facts though. At some point they paid for those patents, and that theoretically put money in the pockets of creators, incentivizing them to create more. That said, to my eyes it's clearly a subversion of the intended purpose of patents, and is societally damaging, so I see no problem with derogatory labeling of this behavior and those that take part in it. It's unfortunate, but…

That's not selectively looking at the facts at all. The facts are plain:

- company buys patents for the purpose of seeking rents

- company aggressively pursues others who are independently creating potentially valuable products to shake them down for rents

- company produces nothing of value with the patent except for increased wealth transfer by extracting value from others' work

That they [theoretically] put money in someone's pocket to get the patent in the first place does not change any of these facts. And calling attention to the behavior isn't selectively dealing with the facts. They exist purely for rent-seeking.

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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I don't understand. If "all four of VirnetX’s patents have been found invalid by the patent office" as Apple claims, why hasn't the case been dismissed?

Here's a real answer (unlike the other "corruption" and "blah blah blah" answers): First, note that the federal circuit has ruled on these patents before, and upheld them . http://patentlyo.com/media/2014/09/Virnetx-v-Cisco.pdf Apple conveniently leaves this part out. (i think it's a BS ruling, but it is a final appeals court ruling on the validity of the patents). As for the PTO finding them invalid: If you look at…

So as usual, Apple is lying/misleading people here. At least 'technically'.

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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Systemic corruption. The area benefits from having lot's of Patent cases.

Then why doesn't your White House or Obama do something about it? (non-US citizen here).

Why would people downvote a sincere/honest question?

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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I don't get this. Is there some paid off official there? Different standards? Why is it such a great place to win patent troll suits - which seem to get overturned in higher courts? Is the idea that a win there will stop the defendant from trying to appeal?

Corruption? in a place with Samsung sponsored ice skating ring in the middle of a desert? never!

Maybe interesting trivia: East Texas is actually really green: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Marshall,+TX//@32.4867717,-9...

Great place for camping (45 minutes north-west near Gilmer, TX has an awesome OHV aka off-roading park). It's also got fairly mild weather (though doesn't freeze as often as I would've expected): http://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/gilmer/texas/united-sta...

Anyways, no pro-Marshall or anything. The idea of East Texas being a poor-ish "backwater" isn't far off the mark. But if you like nature and goofin' off, it's a real nice place to do it.

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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If they won in court against Apple, they're not a "patent troll". They invented something which Apple copied. Apple has patented, and tried to enforce, the claim that they have the exclusive right to devices with a screen on the front and round corners.[1] They lost, but they're still litigating that. [1] http://fortune.com/2015/08/19/apple-patents-rounded-corners/

A company patented the concept of making toast well after toasters were on the market. Another patented recurring payments of online service long after that was normal. Another guy modified a patent to cover podcasting after podcasting was invented and in use.

Point being, something being patented != something being invented. It just means examiners agreed with the claims of a piece of paper then turned that into a piece of intellectual property. The wins then mean courts agreed that claims in that property match some other product to some degree. Neither means someone copied someone. Whether that's true varies on a case by case basis.

I think it's telling that many defendants develop their own, "infringing" tech without ever hearing of the plantiff or their patents. Hard to copy what you don't know exists. In science, we call it independent invention but patent system makes that impossible. Plus, on software patents, what programmers have you met who comb through patent databases to solve their day-to-day problems? I've never met one.

Concluding, patents are legal pronouncements that may or may not cover inventions. Rulings on copying may be right or bullshit. Copying is usually unknowing or independent invention because nobody solves problems with patent databases in our industry. I remember running into maybe 3 or 4 worth looking at in Google search solving a problem. One was novel but others patented ideas already in products or Comp Sci literature. Well-known ideas that were foundational to product success. (sighs)

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