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So, Java guys, what do you recommend if someone wants to have a Rails-like experience where programmer time is more valuable than 'web scale' performance? Say, also that I don't want to have to pay oodles of money for some server with a terabyte of memory to hold the application. Honest question - I haven't kept up with what's happening in Java land, and am curious what you'd recommend for that kind of side-project t…
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There is [Grails]( https://grails.org/ ) which I honestly did not use so I can't comment on it but people seem to like it. It is Groovy based though. The most common framework nowadays is Spring and its ilk (including Spring MVC and its friends). BUT there is Spring Boot which is basically a meta framework which takes an opinionated "sensible defaults for all the stuff" approach and you can get a project working with…
I'll put a second vote for Spring Boot. You're right that when the magic fails it can get a little complicated. However, I've found Spring documentation to be very good. Also, once you understand a little of how it's put together it becomes pretty easy to selectively replace whatever piece of the magic with your own custom version.
If you're not picking the JVM in 2016 to build your core services and web applications then you're making a mistake that is going to cost you time and money either upfront in building things that already exist or later down the road when you start to need more performance and your RoR application isn't cutting it anymore. Say what you will about Java the language (I agree it's not particularly "sexy") but the JVM is…
I keep wondering how Java compares to Go these days. I'm not advocating Go, just wondering how much of an advantage Java has for server-side "web applications and services" for new businesses that are the usual small to medium scale with a single-digit number of developers and no legacy vs giant enterprise scale. It just sounds as though the advantages of Java help large, complex systems of services and developers mo…
Another anecdotes: I was part of a team of 3-4 developers delivering a portal solution for British Columbia compensation board (WorksafeBC, http://bit.ly/1QhUH8L NOTE: it's a few pages of PDF to show the size of the app).
The thought of Java is slow, not agile, and probably overkill for small team, small project, small this and that is probably not warranted.
I've mentioned this in another thread: choose Java and you'll set for at least 5-7 years with minimum problem, focus on solving business problems and less on infrastructure, upgrades of software/libraries, choices of latest du jour). Those open source libraries are damn solid and I very rarely need to worry much whenever I upgrade those libraries. Open the pom.xml, bump up the version number, sit back and enjoy the latest version.
Do you want to write a mobile app? 1/2 of the popular platform is already covered with Java so you just have to worry about the other one.
I'm having a very very hard time justifying the use of Go for "Web Application". I just can't see the benefit over Java (I'm scoping this to just those 2 platforms).
PS: My experience might not reflect other people.
I work at HubSpot, and was among the initially skeptical from having had bad experiences in Java in the distant past and spent more time in Ruby in the years prior which I mostly enjoyed. The Java ecosystem truly saved itself from its own enterprise madness. Libraries and frameworks today look nothing like they did in the past. I think that is somewhat due to language features (annotations, lambdas, etc) but also due…
I also advocate for Java, but mostly because I invested in companies that manufacture RAM.
the 90s called and they want their comment back
But seriously, I'm a huge JVM fan yet I know that if memory is a limiting factor, I should look elsewhere. I just don't current work in any environments where my program has less than 64mb to use.
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Could you elaborate on that? With OpenJDK at least the software side of things is pretty much stable and open (in a FOSS sense), so I take you are referring to possible legal ramifications of Oracle's actions?
Legal actions, arsing around with compliance and test suites, generally "being Oracle".
Maybe for the backend, but for the frontend Java has messed up really bad. Some of the worst aberrations ever created in the history of software development are Java frontend frameworks: think JSF to start. There is nothing like Javascript for the frontend, and if its for developing micro-services and not monoliths I think Javascript is also a pretty good choice for the backend as well. There are some good solid libr…
> I think Javascript is also a pretty good choice for the backend as well. Definitely not for me and for a few of my buddies who happened to use NodeJS already. NodeJS is a good "glue" appserver for gateway to other microservices I give kudos that far but not more.
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It's rails like through its middleware pipeline design. That's a requirement for me. That allows Express third party middleware to add missing parts like Strong Params and easier HTTP Caching. It would be nice to have batteries included but not at the cost of a giant box still design that I suspect Sails and other have. Pipeline design is important and Express does that really good.
Gotcha, thought you meant something else. Thanks for clearing it up. Have you looked into koa[1]? [1] https://github.com/koajs/koa
Imagine if your core app consisted of all different third party libs and you wanna update Express/Koa?
Then we have typedefinitions for all those libraries. Which why I'm looking for alternatives with typed languages.
You might have misunderstood my question or I'm getting things wrong again. :-)
So, Java guys, what do you recommend if someone wants to have a Rails-like experience where programmer time is more valuable than 'web scale' performance? Say, also that I don't want to have to pay oodles of money for some server with a terabyte of memory to hold the application. Honest question - I haven't kept up with what's happening in Java land, and am curious what you'd recommend for that kind of side-project t…
It's easy to get up and running, and I've grown to appreciate the emphasis on stable, mature libraries in Dropwizard compared to some of the more bleeding edge libraries that I've fought with in other "opinionated" Java frameworks that try to approximate the RoR experience.
Dropwizard gives you the option of using either JDBI or Hibernate for an ORM. My suggestion would be to go with Hibernate, even though it's a beast and you will waste time deciphering cryptic error messages and hunting down crippling N+1 select performance problems. Even with those issues, I feel that Hibernate is worth using, as even on small projects it can save you from writing thousands of lines of monotonous database access code.