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Re: Block and Unsubscribe

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I believe it uses a header the sender includes with the email http://www.list-unsubscribe.com/

Also a cool way for a spammer to verify if somebody is receiving those mails.

Who cares if they are receiving them and never seeing them because they are blocked?

Re: Block and Unsubscribe

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Several people have responded to this recommending restraint with the "Spam" button. I disagree. I work for an email service provider; if our customers have a bad unsubscribe method, sometimes the only way to communicate that is to give them a higher complaint rate by clicking "Spam". The customer then comes to us to ask what's wrong, then we analyze their setup and tell them. In the short term, spam complaints hurt…

The problem is that people make up all sorts of ridiculous "laws" in their heads, and get extremely self-righteous when those invented, nonsensical rules are violated. Email service providers are exceedingly conservative, and will nearly always side with these people, even if they're lunatics. For example: sending someone an unsolicited email is not spam. If it were, then nearly every person with an email account wou…

I don't mind it when someone emails me, personally, one time with an unsolicited business offer that is specific to me.

That's like .01% of the email I get. Maybe you are different. The ones that seem to be tailored to me are really just a template with my name substituted. I think we can all recognize those and agree they are spam.

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The problem is that people make up all sorts of ridiculous "laws" in their heads, and get extremely self-righteous when those invented, nonsensical rules are violated. Email service providers are exceedingly conservative, and will nearly always side with these people, even if they're lunatics. For example: sending someone an unsolicited email is not spam. If it were, then nearly every person with an email account wou…

I don't mind it when someone emails me, personally, one time with an unsolicited business offer that is specific to me. That's like .01% of the email I get. Maybe you are different. The ones that seem to be tailored to me are really just a template with my name substituted. I think we can all recognize those and agree they are spam.

You're making a distinction that doesn't work. At what point does an email become "tailored"? Five words? Ten? If someone sends you an unsolicited sales pitch that is mostly identical to the one they're sending to five hundred other people, but uses your name and adds a sentence saying that they "admire the work you've done with $X", is it no longer spam?

You can't define a standard for illegal behavior that encompasses most of what the medium is designed to do.

Re: Block and Unsubscribe

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Hilton hotels, can't unsubscribe because of account login forced. This is my new fix!

Why not report them by filing a complaint[1]? They are violating requirement #6 [2].

[1] https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us/articles/2033321...

[2] https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/can...

Re: Block and Unsubscribe

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Also a cool way for a spammer to verify if somebody is receiving those mails.

Who cares if they are receiving them and never seeing them because they are blocked?

Someone who easily can send other mails to the now verified address from somewhere else?

Re: Block and Unsubscribe

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The problem is the law doesn't specify how well the unsubscribe (opt-outs) have to work. You could literally leave unsubscribe instructions to snail mail your email address to some location, and as long as you stopped emailing them 10 days after getting the mail you're okay.

IANAL but that doesn't sound true. "You can’t ... make the recipient take any step other than sending a reply email or visiting a single page on an Internet website as a condition for honoring an opt-out request." [1] [1] https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/can...

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Re: Block and Unsubscribe

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I would like it better if blocked users received undeliverable messages.

As someone who sends email newsletters, I would definitely prefer that too. I don't want to send messages to people who don't want them or aren't going to read them.

As someone who doesn't like spam, I'd rather see the spammers pay for sending the emails even if I never see them.

Re: Block and Unsubscribe

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Speaking of spam, the wedding industry is the worst offender I've ever seen; worse than porn websites. I've had my email address web spider-able for many years, but never seen as much spam as I have while planning a wedding. These venues and vendors take your information and sell it 2 seconds later to anyone and everyone. One venue, for example, I emailed to set up a visit and meeting. This wasn't some web form, it w…

In a similar vein, but with physical mail, I made a donation to the local PBS TV station years ago during one of their fundraisers. They sent me a postcard with my name misspelled in a way I had never seen before. I then received solicitation mails from several other charities with the same misspelling. Nothing says "thank you for your donation" like being sold out for a few extra dollars. I never donated to them again.

Re: Block and Unsubscribe

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Exactly, "report spam" already serves well as "block" as well as "unsubscribe".

I try to unsub first, because if I opted in they don't deserve to be marked as spam. But if your unsub method doesn't work. You are 100% going to get on every spam list I can put you on.

The spam button in gmail was the auto-unsubscribe button too.

Re: Block and Unsubscribe

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post #103
post #102

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I don't mind it when someone emails me, personally, one time with an unsolicited business offer that is specific to me. That's like .01% of the email I get. Maybe you are different. The ones that seem to be tailored to me are really just a template with my name substituted. I think we can all recognize those and agree they are spam.

You're making a distinction that doesn't work. At what point does an email become "tailored"? Five words? Ten? If someone sends you an unsolicited sales pitch that is mostly identical to the one they're sending to five hundred other people, but uses your name and adds a sentence saying that they "admire the work you've done with $X", is it no longer spam? You can't define a standard for illegal behavior that encompas…

Your post reads like a satire of SV mindset - overly literal, overly self-assured, totally ignorant of how the world outside of a logic system actually works, and consequently choosing the libertarian or technoanarchist "throw it all out" approach.

Laws always have some room for interpretation.

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