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Re: Mozilla just can't catch a break

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Post by te_chris »

mehwoot wrote: post #7

I don't know whether this is a joke or not, but what do you expect? Proposition 8 passed. A majority of people were in favor of it. You think those people would just rule out applying the same sort of pressure on mozilla that worked so effectively? This is why, despite supporting gay marriage, I think it is abhorrent that Brendan Eich was effectively forced to resign. He donated privately to a campaign that was suppo…

I don't want to live in a society where people with bigoted and regressive views are merely considered as a difference of opinion. Human rights are absolute.

EDIT: So many downvotes, wow.

Re: Mozilla just can't catch a break

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Post by sliverstorm »

mehwoot wrote: post #7

I don't know whether this is a joke or not, but what do you expect? Proposition 8 passed. A majority of people were in favor of it. You think those people would just rule out applying the same sort of pressure on mozilla that worked so effectively? This is why, despite supporting gay marriage, I think it is abhorrent that Brendan Eich was effectively forced to resign. He donated privately to a campaign that was suppo…

Just because the majority of people agree with his stance, doesn't mean anything. What, did you think this was some kind of democracy? ;)

Re: Mozilla just can't catch a break

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Post by sliverstorm »

te_chris wrote: post #11
mehwoot wrote: post #7

I don't know whether this is a joke or not, but what do you expect? Proposition 8 passed. A majority of people were in favor of it. You think those people would just rule out applying the same sort of pressure on mozilla that worked so effectively? This is why, despite supporting gay marriage, I think it is abhorrent that Brendan Eich was effectively forced to resign. He donated privately to a campaign that was suppo…

I don't want to live in a society where people with bigoted and regressive views are merely considered as a difference of opinion. Human rights are absolute. EDIT: So many downvotes, wow.

What about the human right to hold your own beliefs? Are you saying I am no longer allowed to believe what I want, I have to believe what you tell me is right?

Re: Mozilla just can't catch a break

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Post by [deleted] »

smtddr wrote: post #5
jasimq wrote: post #3

Freedom of speech goes both ways...

I probably shouldn't even bring this up. This whole thread will be knocked off the front-page shortly anyway... but I just had a heated debate with a coworker that's an Eich-supporter and found his logic disturbing and ethically broken when it expanded to views on racism, sexism, homophobia. But for all those people who support Eich and keep saying freedom-of-speech goes both ways even for "unpopular opinions": How w…

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Re: Mozilla just can't catch a break

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Post by sp332 »

smtddr wrote: post #5
jasimq wrote: post #3

Freedom of speech goes both ways...

I probably shouldn't even bring this up. This whole thread will be knocked off the front-page shortly anyway... but I just had a heated debate with a coworker that's an Eich-supporter and found his logic disturbing and ethically broken when it expanded to views on racism, sexism, homophobia. But for all those people who support Eich and keep saying freedom-of-speech goes both ways even for "unpopular opinions": How w…

Am I crazy for thinking that prop8 disparages the love between two men or women that want to get married?

Maybe? California still gave all the legal rights and benefits of marriage to gay couples, it was just called something besides marriage. The only right Prop 8 took away was to the word "marriage".

Re: Mozilla just can't catch a break

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Post by gf6554 »

te_chris wrote: post #11
mehwoot wrote: post #7

I don't know whether this is a joke or not, but what do you expect? Proposition 8 passed. A majority of people were in favor of it. You think those people would just rule out applying the same sort of pressure on mozilla that worked so effectively? This is why, despite supporting gay marriage, I think it is abhorrent that Brendan Eich was effectively forced to resign. He donated privately to a campaign that was suppo…

I don't want to live in a society where people with bigoted and regressive views are merely considered as a difference of opinion. Human rights are absolute. EDIT: So many downvotes, wow.

So it's either your way or the highway? For thousands of years, his opinion was considered the de facto. Are people now suddenly bigoted hate mongers for supporting the same view that President Obama supported just a few years ago?

Re: Mozilla just can't catch a break

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Post by drawkbox »

te_chris wrote: post #11
mehwoot wrote: post #7

I don't know whether this is a joke or not, but what do you expect? Proposition 8 passed. A majority of people were in favor of it. You think those people would just rule out applying the same sort of pressure on mozilla that worked so effectively? This is why, despite supporting gay marriage, I think it is abhorrent that Brendan Eich was effectively forced to resign. He donated privately to a campaign that was suppo…

I don't want to live in a society where people with bigoted and regressive views are merely considered as a difference of opinion. Human rights are absolute. EDIT: So many downvotes, wow.

Eich is a huge, HUGE proponent of the open web and helped co-found Mozilla. He created Javascript. He is a huge reason the web is so open and browser technologies made all of our lives better. He is also part of the reason Mozilla is so inclusive.

Everything is a balance. His contributions to Mozilla, the open web, technology, fairness and many other things outweighs his one misstep by far. And if that is not possible then we live in a black or white, totalitarian mindset state. People can be wrong and it shouldn't outweigh everything right they have done. Especially since this happens in the midst of major social change, there will be some waves.

Re: Mozilla just can't catch a break

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Post by MetaCosm »

sliverstorm wrote: post #9
gf6554 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a joke. See https://twitter.com/CatholicVote/status/452108584126410752 . They should be free to speak their mind as the opposition, correct?

No no, it's already been clearly established in these threads. The pro-gay-marriage side is the only side that gets to speak their minds, because they are the side that is right. That's how freedom of speech works, after all. Only the person who is right gets it.

You are free to say what you want, and free to deal with the repercussions. Everything can be framed as having two sides, but society at a certain point decides there isn't two sides.

The "pro-interracial-marriage" side is the only side that gets to speak its mind these days, because they are the side that is right. Try coming out as against interracial marriage and you will be run out of your company on a rail, as you should be, rinse and repeat for gay marriage.

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