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Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

#11

Post by svitcov »

cromwellian wrote: post #6

What's with the Google Derangement Syndrome on HN recently? Any change in any Google service prompts the same "I'm taking all my toys and going home" response. Google used to have a separate profile system just like profiles.yahoo.com, and like Yahoo, having lots of disparate services with weak unification was a problem. G+ is that unifying profile layer. Is it really beyond the pale for a service to prompt you to en…

If Google just wanted me to add a few relevant details to my primary account for some obvious useful purpose, details that would be kept private, I would happily oblige. However, this goes beyond that: Google is asking me to share information with no apparent application use (birth date?! gender???) to ANYONE who stumbles upon my G+ profile. I am not against unifying their services - in fact, this is what Google's basic authentication service should and could have done - but that is not the full extent of what is happening here, as far as I can tell.

Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

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Post by svitcov »

ams6110 wrote: post #7

Note to web services businesses: give your users the option to have a local account, and give them an option to change from one 3rd party authenticator to another or to a local account.

This would be an ideal solution for this situation, but the problem remains: if I cannot authenticate via the 3rd party initially, the service has no way of knowing that I am actually the owner of the account. I am not sure what the working implementation of this looks like.

Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

#13

Post by svitcov »

mieses wrote: post #10

Most of my family members will sooner dump Gmail than create a Google+ account.

I feel similarly. What I've been doing is just deleting my G+ account each time Google creates it, but if it becomes too much of an issue, I will be forced to switch. A real pity - I love gmail.

Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

#14

Post by tekacs »

svitcov wrote: post #11
cromwellian wrote: post #6

What's with the Google Derangement Syndrome on HN recently? Any change in any Google service prompts the same "I'm taking all my toys and going home" response. Google used to have a separate profile system just like profiles.yahoo.com, and like Yahoo, having lots of disparate services with weak unification was a problem. G+ is that unifying profile layer. Is it really beyond the pale for a service to prompt you to en…

If Google just wanted me to add a few relevant details to my primary account for some obvious useful purpose, details that would be kept private, I would happily oblige. However, this goes beyond that: Google is asking me to share information with no apparent application use (birth date?! gender???) to ANYONE who stumbles upon my G+ profile. I am not against unifying their services - in fact, this is what Google's ba…

You don't actually have to share those details publicly if you don't want, to be fair. :/

Edit: for comparison and openness's sake, my profile: https://plus.google.com/116103902550362700148/about

I have few qualms about sharing that, given that I know exactly what I've shared from there.

Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

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Post by dannyr »

Wow. This is the worst thing that could happen.

Creating a Google+ account is such a travesty.

It's such a waste of time and effort that could be better spent ranting on Hacker News.

You should avoid everything Google.

In principle, avoid any site that displays Google ads. By visiting ads, you're enabling Google to do all these evil things.

Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

#16

Post by dannyr »

tekacs wrote: post #14
svitcov wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Google just wanted me to add a few relevant details to my primary account for some obvious useful purpose, details that would be kept private, I would happily oblige. However, this goes beyond that: Google is asking me to share information with no apparent application use (birth date?! gender???) to ANYONE who stumbles upon my G+ profile. I am not against unifying their services - in fact, this is what Google's ba…

You don't actually have to share those details publicly if you don't want, to be fair. :/ Edit: for comparison and openness's sake, my profile: https://plus.google.com/116103902550362700148/about I have few qualms about sharing that, given that I know exactly what I've shared from there.

Dude, I don't think you can convince him with facts.

Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

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Post by znowi »

eksith wrote: post #3

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this was already in place for quite a while. Google has slowly been trying to move away form pseudonyms altogether and force Real Name policies like Facebook and things like YouTube, Blogger, Docs etc... were all slowly tied to one login system. This was a problem for me at first because I ended up with multiple accounts with no way to merge them together. But I believe they sta…

The scary part is that the coercive push for Real Name, single identity is advantageous to both private sector (Google, Facebook, etc) and government (NSA, etc). The former get better tracking and ad revenues. The latter improved surveillance and control of the public.

Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

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Post by plg »

the problem is that I may want a gmail account or I may want to use google hangouts to videochat with friends or I may want or need to use google calendar ... but I do NOT want to have a social network account. Google has made it so I have no choice.

Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

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Post by pessimizer »

cromwellian wrote: post #6

What's with the Google Derangement Syndrome on HN recently? Any change in any Google service prompts the same "I'm taking all my toys and going home" response. Google used to have a separate profile system just like profiles.yahoo.com, and like Yahoo, having lots of disparate services with weak unification was a problem. G+ is that unifying profile layer. Is it really beyond the pale for a service to prompt you to en…

You must be replying to the wrong post. This post is asking whether others have been asked to create a g+ account in order to log in using Google, not "I'm taking all my toys and going home" or whatever childish way you want to characterize people who are "deranged" about Google.
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