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NSA chief: ‘We’re the only ones not spying on the American people’

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Re: NSA chief: ‘We’re the only ones not spying on the American people’

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Of course its doublespeak. Knowingly stating the exact opposite of what is true as fact. The only way it would be more obviously doublespeak is to say "Spying is privacy".

> doublespeak. Knowingly stating the exact opposite of what is true as fact I don't think so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak > The only way it would be more obviously doublespeak is to say "Spying is privacy". That's where it would begin to be doublespeak, at least as far as I understand it. Regardless of wether it's doublespeak, it surely is a Big Lie: Nobody spies more on American citizens than American i…

When Winston Smith finds Goldstein's book, in that is written the principles of doublethink (The term doublespeak is not actually used in the book). The famous lines "Ignorance is Strength" etc. But the Ministry of Truth does not broadcast these to the people. The Ministry of Peace does not broadcast "War is peace". It broadcasts "We have always been at war with Eastasia." A big lie.

My point is it doesn't have to be the principles of doublespeak as outlined in Goldstein's book to be doublespeak. The Ministries application of the principles of doublespeak appear to the populace as a big lie.

"But it means also the ability to BELIEVE that black is white, and more, to KNOW that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as DOUBLETHINK." -- George Orwell

Re: NSA chief: ‘We’re the only ones not spying on the American people’

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CAPS LOCK is OBNOXIOUS

It appears in caps in the original book. So it's excusable here as it's a contextual quote.

I guess you're right. Still seems out of place here.

Re: NSA chief: ‘We’re the only ones not spying on the American people’

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There's a discussion to be had here. If you're a foreign intelligence agency looking to commit espionage, how hard would it be to get someone inside a Verizon or AT&T? Imagine what type of pervasive data a potential adversary could gather via these means? Something any major business with foreign competitors should consider before using cloud services or trusting telecom vendors.

I would be very surprised if at least one foreign agency at least has not already hacked into both Verizon and AT&T ... one could argue that the US govt has at least been trying to do it (semi) legitimately just to keep up.

maybe they should attack the perpetrators instead??

Re: NSA chief: ‘We’re the only ones not spying on the American people’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be very surprised if at least one foreign agency at least has not already hacked into both Verizon and AT&T ... one could argue that the US govt has at least been trying to do it (semi) legitimately just to keep up.

maybe they should attack the perpetrators instead??

Maybe indeed, but what was easier?

Re: NSA chief: ‘We’re the only ones not spying on the American people’

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Keith Alexander, NSA Chief, once blamed his late arrival at a Washington event to a DDoS (distributed denial of service) hacking attack on city street lights.... Wow.

Got a source? That sounds so incredible I almost want it to be true.
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