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What Really Happened When Facebook Bought Instagram

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Re: What Really Happened When Facebook Bought Instagram

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A good read, for sure. As someone outside of the US, it makes me wonder if Instagram's succes would have been possible if it was a non-US company, or even a startup outside of California?

Direct answer: no. Indirect answer: no. The probability is low because guys outside of bay area don't build app to dent anything. They don't aim to build an app that is cool: to them, their friends, their investors, their users, and ultimately their suitors and acquirer. They build it to mint money, which is why this story inspires them too.

It also counts that you are in a habitat where having beers with Zuck or being one of the first employees of google or twitter( or just name one..) is easy. If you need a 500000$ seed investment? No problem, I will talk to Andressen and it'll be done in a week.. Of course it's not always like this but SV is the place where this may happen. The biggest difference I notice with other places beyond the easier access to investment (I am from Spain), is that people there has a "can do" attitude that is almost completely missing everywhere else. If you go to Stanford, it is expected from you to go and make something big just because of that. Also there is the glorification of failure as a learning experience. Here in Spain I am seeing lots of good Ideas to start a small bussines or a Start up for almost no money, but even in the middle of the crisis, people who doesn't have a job gives me a blank stare every time I talk about them. They'll just keep looking for a simple job at a big company, as it that is the only possible way.

The think that most impacts me of this article is how they get 25000 users the first day. How do you do that?. Is due to having a huge net of early adopters as friends?

Edit: twitter spelling!(tweeter...)

Re: What Really Happened When Facebook Bought Instagram

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I think this story also shows how super-important connections can be. This guy was well connected in the valley. The question is, how can someone who moves there from, say, New York, actually make those connections?

My guess would be that it is harder, especially to get connections like Zuckerberg, if nothing else because he, and others like him, are now quite hard to reach.

That said, getting to know the up-and-coming Valley entrepreneurs should be doable. It is not as easy as getting to know them while you are in college but go to conventions, go to coffee shops, bars. If that is not your thing, start conversations on HN, Twitter, professional communities etc. One important thing to remember, people love to talk about themselves and their business. Especially entrepreneurs.

On a personal level, I am finishing up my Masters (in Amsterdam - so no where close to 'The Valley') and I really feel that I should have done more networking. It is not that hard to get to know people if you make an effort but I have been way too comfortable with my group(s)of friends.

Re: What Really Happened When Facebook Bought Instagram

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Sounds great.... The dream we all long for; Silicon Valley dream. Though does anyone tell the stories where the little guy is invited out there by big influentials only to be baited into giving away their secret algorithm and then being stomped on? Beware innovators/entrepreneurs sharks abound, especially for the little guy. They'll sell you on your dreams only to get what they want from you then kick you and your dr…

Would you mind sharing some of your experiences a little bit more?

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What I really enjoy about Kara Swisher's article is how her writing style and her framing of the story reflects the whirlwind reality that found Systrom and Krieger in an 18 month exit. There are no superhuman heroics involved here nor supersecret backroom deals. This is really just a simple story of good luck and timing, a spot on pivot and execution, and honestly brokered business relationships. You can't duplicate…

... and a story that will continue to inspire product maniacs for a long long time to come.

That's the irony!

Re: What Really Happened When Facebook Bought Instagram

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Direct answer: no. Indirect answer: no. The probability is low because guys outside of bay area don't build app to dent anything. They don't aim to build an app that is cool: to them, their friends, their investors, their users, and ultimately their suitors and acquirer. They build it to mint money, which is why this story inspires them too.

Suuure, everyone outside the valley builds apps only for "money minting", not for "cool to everyone". Nice Cali bubble you live in ;D

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Re: What Really Happened When Facebook Bought Instagram

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Sounds great.... The dream we all long for; Silicon Valley dream. Though does anyone tell the stories where the little guy is invited out there by big influentials only to be baited into giving away their secret algorithm and then being stomped on? Beware innovators/entrepreneurs sharks abound, especially for the little guy. They'll sell you on your dreams only to get what they want from you then kick you and your dr…

If you built something special that people were willing to stab you in the back for, you can build something special again.

Yes, there are predators and thieves everywhere. It's amazing how quickly an IP can be unwittingly pried out of a creators hands. Never underestimate that.

And to anyone who will listen: never never never do a deal without having a lawyer go through it, no matter how smart you think you are or how straight-toward the deal seems.

Re: What Really Happened When Facebook Bought Instagram

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Direct answer: no. Indirect answer: no. The probability is low because guys outside of bay area don't build app to dent anything. They don't aim to build an app that is cool: to them, their friends, their investors, their users, and ultimately their suitors and acquirer. They build it to mint money, which is why this story inspires them too.

It also counts that you are in a habitat where having beers with Zuck or being one of the first employees of google or twitter( or just name one..) is easy. If you need a 500000$ seed investment? No problem, I will talk to Andressen and it'll be done in a week.. Of course it's not always like this but SV is the place where this may happen. The biggest difference I notice with other places beyond the easier access to…

The can-do attitude is something to be envied but the dynamism and opportunities available in the Valley and generally in the USA make a big difference. If your big idea doesn't pan out then the (almost) worst case scenario is that you simply go and work for somebody else. I don't think other country's economies are nearly as developed in that respect. In many cases developers are hired on the basis of cost and anything that the might prejudice that in the eyes of managers and employers (for example being a little too dynamic or independently minded) removes a lot of the cushion you have and makes going for the safe, corporate type of job more practical, not necessarily more desirable.

Re: What Really Happened When Facebook Bought Instagram

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A good read, for sure. As someone outside of the US, it makes me wonder if Instagram's succes would have been possible if it was a non-US company, or even a startup outside of California?

As someone in the US and in California, but !in the bay area and !in rapport with the likes of Marc Andreessen, Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg, I too wonder if Instagram-like success would be possible for a startup that is not in that position. And if it isn't possible, perhaps the rest of us should think twice about aspiring to that specific type of success.

Re: What Really Happened When Facebook Bought Instagram

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A good read, for sure. As someone outside of the US, it makes me wonder if Instagram's succes would have been possible if it was a non-US company, or even a startup outside of California?

As someone in the US and in California, but !in the bay area and !in rapport with the likes of Marc Andreessen, Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg, I too wonder if Instagram-like success would be possible for a startup that is not in that position. And if it isn't possible, perhaps the rest of us should think twice about aspiring to that specific type of success.

It's kind of your fault.

That's a provocative statement, here's the justification:

Instagram had "only" 18 employees. Wherever you are, will1000, hiring 18 employees of the caliber who built Instagram for 18 months would cost you $2M. Instagram was able to pay for them with equity, instesad of starting with $2M in the bank.

The direct reason that this doesn't work outside silicon valley is that outside silicon valley you, will1000, will not work for me for equity instead of a market salary. That is only possible in Silicon Valley.

In other words, you don't want to believe that a % is worth anything, and that's why you won't accept equity based compensation (outside silicon vallye).

look in your heart and you know it's true. what's the lowest salary + equity compensation you would accept?

Could instagram have afforded you?

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