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Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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Post by EA-3167 »

abeppu wrote: post #6

I think this is silly. This is a product designed to deliver nicotine, and that's going to continue to be the important part for health considerations. Had the FDA become concerned about the pouch material, and a different pouch material had been swapped in, it would still be a product designed to deliver nicotine. If it's used in a way that gets people away from smoking, maybe it can have an impact of decreased canc…

That's been the pitch from "harm reduction" activists who didn't bother to check on the reality, and the pitch from Phillip Morris.

The reality is that products like Zyn are most popular in a young demographic that's not only NOT using it to quit smoking, it's actually just a supplement to their smoking. In many cases Zyn and Vaping lead to smoking, not the other way around.

Finally lets remember that safer means of delivering nicotine to the system exist, they simply aren't addictive, marketable, or profitable.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10203764/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10203764/

Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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Post by burnt-resistor »

The US approves and allows many things haphazardly because there's a lack of regulatory consistency, integrity, enforcement, and application of the precautionary principle. This plays Russian roulette with the public in the name of money.

Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

estearum wrote: post #5
vablings wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This whole issue around microplastics has just become another grift for the health and wellness industry. The supplements industry is worth over $150B dollars. The main contributor to microplastic ingestion is in the water you drink, this water is contaminated with either parts of your car tire or the synthetic clothes you wear

What does the second line have to do with the first? Anyone I know who is concerned about microplastics is worried about food packaging, water contamination, and clothing.

>What does the second line have to do with the first?

The fact that like damn near ever regulated issue of the 20th century some big moneyed interests will leverage that concern to create a regulatory moat for themselves, drive business to themselves by force of law, etc, etc. The bone the public will be thrown will consist of making the regulated problem some trivial amount less worse for a little while before the Nt order consequences screw us harder than the original problem in a few decades.

Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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Post by estearum »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #14
estearum wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does the second line have to do with the first? Anyone I know who is concerned about microplastics is worried about food packaging, water contamination, and clothing.

>What does the second line have to do with the first? The fact that like damn near ever regulated issue of the 20th century some big moneyed interests will leverage that concern to create a regulatory moat for themselves, drive business to themselves by force of law, etc, etc. The bone the public will be thrown will consist of making the regulated problem some trivial amount less worse for a little while before the N…

So the claim is that the supplement industry is involved in some type of regulatory capture that pertains to microplastics?

I don't think that's true, nor is it the claim being made.

Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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Post by cindyllm »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #14
estearum wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does the second line have to do with the first? Anyone I know who is concerned about microplastics is worried about food packaging, water contamination, and clothing.

>What does the second line have to do with the first? The fact that like damn near ever regulated issue of the 20th century some big moneyed interests will leverage that concern to create a regulatory moat for themselves, drive business to themselves by force of law, etc, etc. The bone the public will be thrown will consist of making the regulated problem some trivial amount less worse for a little while before the N…

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Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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Post by andrekandre »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #14
estearum wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does the second line have to do with the first? Anyone I know who is concerned about microplastics is worried about food packaging, water contamination, and clothing.

>What does the second line have to do with the first? The fact that like damn near ever regulated issue of the 20th century some big moneyed interests will leverage that concern to create a regulatory moat for themselves, drive business to themselves by force of law, etc, etc. The bone the public will be thrown will consist of making the regulated problem some trivial amount less worse for a little while before the N…

  > some trivial amount less worse for a little while before the Nt order consequences screw us
like unleaded gasoline?

Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

estearum wrote: post #15
cucumber3732842 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What does the second line have to do with the first? The fact that like damn near ever regulated issue of the 20th century some big moneyed interests will leverage that concern to create a regulatory moat for themselves, drive business to themselves by force of law, etc, etc. The bone the public will be thrown will consist of making the regulated problem some trivial amount less worse for a little while before the N…

So the claim is that the supplement industry is involved in some type of regulatory capture that pertains to microplastics? I don't think that's true, nor is it the claim being made.

The claim is that the industry is chomping at the bit to have microplastics declared some sort of problem or otherwise regulated or subject to artificial pressure so they can make money over-selling (or having people be forced to buy) solutions to a problem that's over-hyped.

The paper industry people are salivating over it too so they can sell paper bags and paper filter media and cardboard packaging, etc, etc.

Basically they see what the "green grift" people have going on and they want a copy for themselves.

Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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Post by estearum »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #18
estearum wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the claim is that the supplement industry is involved in some type of regulatory capture that pertains to microplastics? I don't think that's true, nor is it the claim being made.

The claim is that the industry is chomping at the bit to have microplastics declared some sort of problem or otherwise regulated or subject to artificial pressure so they can make money over-selling (or having people be forced to buy) solutions to a problem that's over-hyped. The paper industry people are salivating over it too so they can sell paper bags and paper filter media and cardboard packaging, etc, etc. Basi…

This doesn't actually explain what the second line of the aforementioned comment has to do with the first.

If you're so certain the microplastic threat is overhyped, I would encourage you to publish a paper explaining and evidencing your rationale! As you mention, the ground is ripe for some controversy on this topic.

Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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Post by vablings »

estearum wrote: post #19
cucumber3732842 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The claim is that the industry is chomping at the bit to have microplastics declared some sort of problem or otherwise regulated or subject to artificial pressure so they can make money over-selling (or having people be forced to buy) solutions to a problem that's over-hyped. The paper industry people are salivating over it too so they can sell paper bags and paper filter media and cardboard packaging, etc, etc. Basi…

This doesn't actually explain what the second line of the aforementioned comment has to do with the first. If you're so certain the microplastic threat is overhyped, I would encourage you to publish a paper explaining and evidencing your rationale! As you mention, the ground is ripe for some controversy on this topic.

I am not a scientist; I would consider myself not informed enough to make a paper.

I have read many papers, I know about microplastics and my personal consensus is that they are not a big deal and the biggest sources of microplastics are from water contamination.

"The fact that like damn near ever regulated issue of the 20th century some big moneyed interests will leverage that concern to create a regulatory moat for themselves, drive business to themselves by force of law, etc, etc. The bone the public will be thrown will consist of making the regulated problem some trivial amount less worse for a little while before the Nt order consequences screw us harder than the original problem in a few decades."

This is a much more elegant way of wording prior to describe it.

If microplastics do turn out to be a big issue it's a public health thing and the government will be required to clean up the groundwater with extra filtration ect. Not something worth spending my time thinking about

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