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FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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Don’t many medications and medical devices contain microplastics either on purpose (fillers) or un-avoidable (plasticizers in IV tubing). Unless the FDA has an existing microplastics policy, it would be weird to inconsistently apply it.

Lots of dental stuff like Invisalign or even regular braces involve keeping plastic and adhesives in the mouth for long periods of time. I think even some gum (non-nicotine or otherwise) contain plastics technically.

Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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Don’t many medications and medical devices contain microplastics either on purpose (fillers) or un-avoidable (plasticizers in IV tubing). Unless the FDA has an existing microplastics policy, it would be weird to inconsistently apply it. Lots of dental stuff like Invisalign or even regular braces involve keeping plastic and adhesives in the mouth for long periods of time. I think even some gum (non-nicotine or otherwi…

This whole issue around microplastics has just become another grift for the health and wellness industry. The supplements industry is worth over $150B dollars.

The main contributor to microplastic ingestion is in the water you drink, this water is contaminated with either parts of your car tire or the synthetic clothes you wear

Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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post #4

Don’t many medications and medical devices contain microplastics either on purpose (fillers) or un-avoidable (plasticizers in IV tubing). Unless the FDA has an existing microplastics policy, it would be weird to inconsistently apply it. Lots of dental stuff like Invisalign or even regular braces involve keeping plastic and adhesives in the mouth for long periods of time. I think even some gum (non-nicotine or otherwi…

This whole issue around microplastics has just become another grift for the health and wellness industry. The supplements industry is worth over $150B dollars. The main contributor to microplastic ingestion is in the water you drink, this water is contaminated with either parts of your car tire or the synthetic clothes you wear

What does the second line have to do with the first?

Anyone I know who is concerned about microplastics is worried about food packaging, water contamination, and clothing.

Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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I think this is silly. This is a product designed to deliver nicotine, and that's going to continue to be the important part for health considerations. Had the FDA become concerned about the pouch material, and a different pouch material had been swapped in, it would still be a product designed to deliver nicotine.

If it's used in a way that gets people away from smoking, maybe it can have an impact of decreased cancer risk. If used by people who weren't going to smoke, then maybe the impacts to blood pressure, heart rate, and heart disease risk are going to dominate.

The "maybe you accumulate more microplastics" impact is a rounding error.

Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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post #4

Don’t many medications and medical devices contain microplastics either on purpose (fillers) or un-avoidable (plasticizers in IV tubing). Unless the FDA has an existing microplastics policy, it would be weird to inconsistently apply it. Lots of dental stuff like Invisalign or even regular braces involve keeping plastic and adhesives in the mouth for long periods of time. I think even some gum (non-nicotine or otherwi…

This whole issue around microplastics has just become another grift for the health and wellness industry. The supplements industry is worth over $150B dollars. The main contributor to microplastic ingestion is in the water you drink, this water is contaminated with either parts of your car tire or the synthetic clothes you wear

Under sink reverse osmosis filter for the win.

Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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post #4

Don’t many medications and medical devices contain microplastics either on purpose (fillers) or un-avoidable (plasticizers in IV tubing). Unless the FDA has an existing microplastics policy, it would be weird to inconsistently apply it. Lots of dental stuff like Invisalign or even regular braces involve keeping plastic and adhesives in the mouth for long periods of time. I think even some gum (non-nicotine or otherwi…

This whole issue around microplastics has just become another grift for the health and wellness industry. The supplements industry is worth over $150B dollars. The main contributor to microplastic ingestion is in the water you drink, this water is contaminated with either parts of your car tire or the synthetic clothes you wear

Are you suggesting that all the scientists studying microplastics and papers about microplastics are just grifting for the health and wellness industry?

Also, are you suggesting that a pharma company like Philip Morris, with a yearly revenue of $40 billion, part of the TRILLION dollar pharma industry, is somehow less influential than the health and wellness industry?

There's a grift alright, and it's not some former FDA scientist selling it.

Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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post #6

I think this is silly. This is a product designed to deliver nicotine, and that's going to continue to be the important part for health considerations. Had the FDA become concerned about the pouch material, and a different pouch material had been swapped in, it would still be a product designed to deliver nicotine. If it's used in a way that gets people away from smoking, maybe it can have an impact of decreased canc…

There are advertisements from the 1950s for asbestos-filtered cigarettes. How many of those cancer cases are you counting against nicotine?

Re: FDA authorized Zyn nicotine pouches without knowing what they were made of

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Don’t many medications and medical devices contain microplastics either on purpose (fillers) or un-avoidable (plasticizers in IV tubing). Unless the FDA has an existing microplastics policy, it would be weird to inconsistently apply it. Lots of dental stuff like Invisalign or even regular braces involve keeping plastic and adhesives in the mouth for long periods of time. I think even some gum (non-nicotine or otherwi…

Critically nicotine pouches are a recreational drug rather than a medication or medical device. If you're exposed to microplastics from your dialysis then that's just a tradeoff to remain above the ground. Most people using Zyn never smoked, it isn't a lifesaving or even improving measure, it's just big tobacco doing what big tobacco does.
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