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European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

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Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

#11
EU should have mandated a user-facing authentication scheme using a random string as the only authentication factor for everything. Pretty much like the API tokens for contemporary enterprise software, except that they would be used by ordinary people and not by application developers.

And complement it with hardware tokens for highly sensitive applications.

Passkeys could have been that, but they were quickly subverted by the industry.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

#12
Working as intended. EU wants you to use a device and OS they can fully control. Don't comply with some new ridiculous regulation? Your app will be banned.

> EU App Store: Apple Removes Thousands of Apps Due to Digital Services Act Requirements

> Apple’s app removals follow the Digital Services Act, a European law requiring all app traders to display verified contact details, including address, email, and phone number.

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/eu-app-store-apple-digi...

You think apps which wouldn't want to implement Chat Control will remain on the app store?

EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48707719)

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

#13

Regulations create monopolies. Even when regulations are aimed at curbing the control of giants, smaller players usually can't afford them and lose market share. This is actually taught as a competitive advantage strategy in business school. Corporations lobby the government to implement laws that seem to hurt them but in actuality create an uneven playing field where marketshare becomes available due to the higher i…

Aren't monopolies is what we end up by default if have no regulation at all?

And yes, not every regulation destroys monopoly, but regulation is the only thing that could break one.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

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post #4

A European digital ID system that is entirely dependent on 2 US companies. Wasn't there some talk about the pressing need for European digital sovereignty recently? Or was that just performative nonsense?

Europe will never have digital sovereignty from the US.

It will take 100 years and an extremely expensive, government-mandated reimplementation of every critical US tech service and company.

No EU country is putting up budget for this, and no private enterprise is going to do it because building a worse version of AWS just so that it is "European" makes no financial sense and would most likely just fail anyway.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

#16

Regulations create monopolies. Even when regulations are aimed at curbing the control of giants, smaller players usually can't afford them and lose market share. This is actually taught as a competitive advantage strategy in business school. Corporations lobby the government to implement laws that seem to hurt them but in actuality create an uneven playing field where marketshare becomes available due to the higher i…

Regulations __can__ create monopolies. DMA is a regulation, but it does not have the shortcomings you mentioned.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

#17

Regulations create monopolies. Even when regulations are aimed at curbing the control of giants, smaller players usually can't afford them and lose market share. This is actually taught as a competitive advantage strategy in business school. Corporations lobby the government to implement laws that seem to hurt them but in actuality create an uneven playing field where marketshare becomes available due to the higher i…

My intuition is that this is not necessarily true, but probably often true in practice but perhaps someone more educated on the matter can speak on that. It must also depend on the expensiveness of the regulation in question. Since in tons of areas regulations are absolutely vital so that for example our buildings don’t collapse, our food remains non-toxic and the medicine we buy is not the pharmacological equivalent to russian roulette the goal should then be to optimise the cost performance of regulations.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

#18
post #4

A European digital ID system that is entirely dependent on 2 US companies. Wasn't there some talk about the pressing need for European digital sovereignty recently? Or was that just performative nonsense?

Not really. EU is actually trying to decouple. But in many cases there are not any homegrown alternatives to support. There is not a single company in EU that could replace, even a considerable part, of software stack provided by Google and Apple.

And, unless the regulatory environment changes., there probably never will be.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

#19

Working as intended. EU wants you to use a device and OS they can fully control. Don't comply with some new ridiculous regulation? Your app will be banned. > EU App Store: Apple Removes Thousands of Apps Due to Digital Services Act Requirements > Apple’s app removals follow the Digital Services Act, a European law requiring all app traders to display verified contact details, including address, email, and phone numbe…

The only problem is, EU does not control these devices, Google and Apple and by extension the US government does.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

#20
post #3

> Governments are cementing a monopoly they claim to oppose Duopoly but yea. Because there is no third alternative. Microsoft failed/gave up with Windows Phone. The people trying to fix secure government services can't really tackle that issue, but the systems needs to be built now anyway.

They can't tackle issue oft establishing a 3rd popular mobile operating system, true. But they could support Desktop Linux or AOSP.
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