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Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

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Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#11

All this applies to iOS and safari too

It doesn't. Apple has its share of anticompetitive behaviors, but Microsoft is uniquely bad. I recently went through both experiences and, at least for the US region, the number of weird pop-ups and nags you get on Windows as you try to change the search engine and install Chrome is absolutely bonkers. It almost feels like some sort of a malware situation.

Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#12
post #8

All this applies to iOS and safari too

Really? I Never got a weird message from Apple about other browsers being bad or potentially dangerous, and I tried Vivaldi, DDG, Brave, Firefox, Firefox Focus, and I currently have DDG set as my main browser. And of course I can delete Safari from my iphone if I wanted to.

Indeed, because you are actually still using Safari under the hood.

Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#14
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I Never got a weird message from Apple about other browsers being bad or potentially dangerous, and I tried Vivaldi, DDG, Brave, Firefox, Firefox Focus, and I currently have DDG set as my main browser. And of course I can delete Safari from my iphone if I wanted to.

Indeed, because you are actually still using Safari under the hood.

Does it count as Safari in stats? If it did, they’d have a 100% market share, wouldn’t they?

Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#15
Internet Explorer all over again...they never learn. Edge was the last thing that pushed me away from Microsoft. The constant new - privacy invading - features, frickin' widgets and ad-filled home-screen-tab-thing.

Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#17

All this applies to iOS and safari too

It doesn't. Apple has its share of anticompetitive behaviors, but Microsoft is uniquely bad. I recently went through both experiences and, at least for the US region, the number of weird pop-ups and nags you get on Windows as you try to change the search engine and install Chrome is absolutely bonkers. It almost feels like some sort of a malware situation.

I'm no MS fanboy here, but I think Apple is worse.

Firstly Windows is arguably the most unrestrictive OS (certainly among the commercial options). You can install pretty much anything you like, from anywhere you like. Contrast to say Android or iOS it's a wild-west.

If one wants to get on the "browser freedom" train, Windows is a strange choice over say iOS.

I guess the browser change process is not universal even on Windows. I recently installed a new W11 laptop and both Chrome and FF installed fine with no drama. Sure Edge wants to be default, so does Chrome, so does FF. All nag a bit in the beginning.

Describing a browser change as "nearly impossible" seems a tad hyperbolic to me. It's really easy.

It's also a one-and-done task. Not really something to get all wound up about.

Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#18
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I Never got a weird message from Apple about other browsers being bad or potentially dangerous, and I tried Vivaldi, DDG, Brave, Firefox, Firefox Focus, and I currently have DDG set as my main browser. And of course I can delete Safari from my iphone if I wanted to.

Indeed, because you are actually still using Safari under the hood.

Not in the EU

Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#19
I didn't see a browser choice on my new iPhone, nor on my new Samsung tablet (which looks like it has every google app installed they ever made).

Heck, using safari to do a google search has google using half the screen begging me to use their browser or their use the google full ai experience.

Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#20
post #2

> Microsoft leverages its immensely powerful position as the supplier of the ubiquitous Windows PC operating system, as well as many productivity and other must-have apps, to push users towards its first-party browser, Edge, through tactics that restrict, distort and subvert user choice. Heh. This could have been written 25 years ago. Though at least back then, Microsoft was winning. Since then, the market share of I…

As someone who was NTSE certified in the late '90s, you are absolutely correct.

I stopped supporting the platform when they:

- Mandated WGA even for licensed partners that got "Teh Crate" of every release every month which mandated multiple hosts for every version in lieu of simple multi-boot

- Allowed arbitrary code in the Registry

- Embedded IE making multi-browser testing a nightmare

- Developer API support went from detailed direct emails and MSDN articles from actual people to "search MSN on Google".

Just let Windows "die on the vine". There's zero point to continue propping up this dead platform outside of...edge ;) cases for industrial, embedded, military, and govt., use that are (mostly) already effectively version-locked anyways.

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