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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by moralestapia »

jjgreen wrote: post #5
bitpush wrote: post #3

Isnt the title a bit dramatic? I remember reading you can still install apps but you just need to click a few buttons.

From TFA: Delve into System Settings, find Developer Options Tap the build number seven times to enable Developer Mode Dismiss scare screens about coercion Enter your PIN Restart the device Wait 24 hours Come back, dismiss more scare screens Pick "allow temporarily" (7 days) or "allow indefinitely" Confirm, again, that you understand "the risks" Nine steps. A mandatory 24-hour cooling-off period. For installing softw…

>Wait 24 hours

Somehow bank vaults and heroin storage boxes don’t take this long.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by moralestapia »

nine_k wrote: post #10
jjgreen wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From TFA: Delve into System Settings, find Developer Options Tap the build number seven times to enable Developer Mode Dismiss scare screens about coercion Enter your PIN Restart the device Wait 24 hours Come back, dismiss more scare screens Pick "allow temporarily" (7 days) or "allow indefinitely" Confirm, again, that you understand "the risks" Nine steps. A mandatory 24-hour cooling-off period. For installing softw…

I see zero trouble as long as it requires no additional identification, no additional payment, and no mandatory time limit for the sideloaded apps. That is, fine by me. I can wait for 24 hours once in a few years when I acquire a new mobile phone.

Why would you do all that to install an app in a device that you own? It's bollocks.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by chneu »

drnick1 wrote: post #8

I don't care, I run Graphene, and my phone is definitely mine. Most Android apps just work, and the ones that don't are the kind of malware I am happy to do without.

I have a pixel 10 pro and have tried no less than 5 times to get my apps to work on graphene, no luck.

I'm no slouch either, I've developed for android for almost a decade.

I'm not disagreeing with ya, just adding a comment so folks are aware that the "Graphene just works" crowd is sometimes a bit hyperbolic.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by jmcomets »

bitpush wrote: post #3

Isnt the title a bit dramatic? I remember reading you can still install apps but you just need to click a few buttons.

From NewPipe : https://github.com/woheller69/FreeDroidWarn?tab=readme-ov-fi...

I wouldn't consider this "a few buttons", it's enough to turn off the less savvy users

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by Xunjin »

Let me play out a scenario, imagine to use a Desktop Hardware like a complete built rig, you would need a specific OS like Windows 11 and you could not run Linux on it, just because it's a vendor lock-in.

Why is this acceptable for phones but would not for the case above?

I know a lot of people don't care, and that's ok, but we should root for an open choice for the users.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by ninininino »

drnick1 wrote: post #8

I don't care, I run Graphene, and my phone is definitely mine. Most Android apps just work, and the ones that don't are the kind of malware I am happy to do without.

That's a great attitude until slowly but surely 90% of apps used in day to day life won't function for you: banking, dating, social media, e-commerce, communication/messaging etc slowly freeze you out.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by zb3 »

jnovek wrote: post #9
smalltorch wrote: post #2

The opt out is graphene os yeah?

Yes, but there are issues. You can’t use stuff like banking apps on a modified device and losing access to normal android devices would be a big blow to the momentum of the F-Droid community. GrapheneOS might not be a big enough community to sustain work on the projects delivered by F-Droid.

> losing access to normal android devices would be a big blow to the momentum of the F-Droid community.

For me it seems the opposite - if these "normal" (GMS spyware) Android devices lose the access to F-Droid and it will only be possible to install malware/adware from Google Play, then maybe that will push more people to value unlocking the bootloader..

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by tromp »

jjgreen wrote: post #5
bitpush wrote: post #3

Isnt the title a bit dramatic? I remember reading you can still install apps but you just need to click a few buttons.

From TFA: Delve into System Settings, find Developer Options Tap the build number seven times to enable Developer Mode Dismiss scare screens about coercion Enter your PIN Restart the device Wait 24 hours Come back, dismiss more scare screens Pick "allow temporarily" (7 days) or "allow indefinitely" Confirm, again, that you understand "the risks" Nine steps. A mandatory 24-hour cooling-off period. For installing softw…

You left out the crucial bit:

    Worse: this flow runs entirely through Google Play Services, not the Android OS. Google can change it, tighten it, or kill it at any time, with no OS update required and no consent needed.
    And as of today, it hasn't shipped in any beta, preview, or canary build.
    It exists only as a blog post and some mockups.
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