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Tesla reportedly developing new smaller, cheaper EV after killing Model 2

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Re: Tesla reportedly developing new smaller, cheaper EV after killing Model 2

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Post by Toutouxc »

andrecarini wrote: post #8

My impression as a driver-in-training is that people are too complacent and forget they are handling a machine that could at any moment kill and maim you, your loved ones and random innocent bystanders. I wish we all were more responsible about it, and I hate the Tesla philosophy of going the opposite way (the touchscreen, the sorta there but not really autopilot, etc)

That’s also my impression (experienced and competent driver). The other day I saw a video of someone testing Tesla FSD in Prague (where I live), the person was praising it for dealing with various situations quickly and with confidence, while I, a local, was basically cowering non-stop in front of the screen. There was certainly a lot of YOLO energy.

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Post by tapoxi »

verdverm wrote: post #5
tapoxi wrote: post #4

It's a shame what happened to this company. I used to really want a Tesla, but now the brand signifies your support for Musk/DOGE, they killed half their lineup, and they keep mentioning that cars aren't the future as they aim for driverless taxis and robots. At least they opened the supercharger network. My mom picked up a Cadillac Optiq and even with her being on the other side of the country she was able to seamle…

I was able to drive across the US in the winter in an Ioniq 6 without using Tesla chargers. All but a couple were 350V, WY was the worst state (NY->WA), battery conditioning had charges ~200V for the first phase until charge levels became the dominant factor. Ionna is 8 automakers building an alternative network https://www.ionna.com/founding-partners/ Hyundai has their EV platform which has been 800V for a couple of…

Yeah I've had an ID4 for a few years and its certainly possible, but seemingly overnight the charging network doubled and its a net win for everyone.

Also, my mom is in her 70s, those CCS plugs are huge! I'm glad everyone was able to standardize on NACS.

Re: Tesla reportedly developing new smaller, cheaper EV after killing Model 2

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Post by burnt-resistor »

tapoxi wrote: post #4

It's a shame what happened to this company. I used to really want a Tesla, but now the brand signifies your support for Musk/DOGE, they killed half their lineup, and they keep mentioning that cars aren't the future as they aim for driverless taxis and robots. At least they opened the supercharger network. My mom picked up a Cadillac Optiq and even with her being on the other side of the country she was able to seamle…

Absolutely waste but with insufficient accountability. I don't understand how or why shareholders haven't sued him into penury. Taking political positions as a business figure is inherently fraught with risk, but then taking extreme political positions, openly flaunting drug use, and suggesting human decency is weakness is bloody weird and insane that will only lead to hubris. I don't want to know a CEO's religion or politics because these should be private matters.

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Post by jerlam »

ramesh31 wrote: post #14

It will still be $30k+ out the door, guaranteed. There's zero interest in making an actual affordable car when their margins are so high at that level.

There are a lot of new $30K EVs on the market right now, as manufacturers have added a lot of incentives since the EV rebate expired. And a lot of slightly used EVs are coming off lease this year.

Tesla is going to struggle since their brand no longer has any cachet and people aren't interested in subscribing to a kinda-self driving feature.

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Post by quantified »

cyanydeez wrote: post #3

Tesla is basically proof positive that the market, oligarchy and fund managers are all in the Epstein-sphere of influence. No rational market would suffer the type of business management and products that Tesla produces.

You're forgetting a fan base. It's in the same category as a meme stock or NFT back in the day. Same way that haters gonna hate, believers gonna believe, and sometimes attack those who question/threaten their worldview. The boosters boost because they BELIEVE.

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Post by estimator7292 »

andrecarini wrote: post #8

My impression as a driver-in-training is that people are too complacent and forget they are handling a machine that could at any moment kill and maim you, your loved ones and random innocent bystanders. I wish we all were more responsible about it, and I hate the Tesla philosophy of going the opposite way (the touchscreen, the sorta there but not really autopilot, etc)

The prevailing attitude in America is that as long as you are safe and comfortable in your gargantuan car, killing pedestrians and other drivers doesn't matter. Everyone else is beneath your contempt and if someone gets hurt or killed due to your recklessness, they deserve it.

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Post by cbeach »

cyanydeez wrote: post #3

Tesla is basically proof positive that the market, oligarchy and fund managers are all in the Epstein-sphere of influence. No rational market would suffer the type of business management and products that Tesla produces.

Your comment has more than a whiff of “never driven a Tesla”

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Post by FireBeyond »

Morromist wrote: post #7
BonoboIO wrote: post #2

Yeah … vapoware like the roadster.

I wouldn't be too shocked if they're real. They aren't going to be making humanoid robots that actually are useful and don't price 99% of people out of buying them and they have to come out with something new eventually. And they can copy a lot of features from the better, cheaper chinese cars and just sell them for 3x as much in the american market because they have no competition here and the chinese are barred fro…

I'd say they're as real as the $35K Cybertruck Musk promised us (not that many of us wanted it).

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Post by RichardHesketh »

tapoxi wrote: post #4

It's a shame what happened to this company. I used to really want a Tesla, but now the brand signifies your support for Musk/DOGE, they killed half their lineup, and they keep mentioning that cars aren't the future as they aim for driverless taxis and robots. At least they opened the supercharger network. My mom picked up a Cadillac Optiq and even with her being on the other side of the country she was able to seamle…

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