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Genetic data from over 20k U.S. children misused for 'race science'

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Re: Genetic data from over 20k U.S. children misused for 'race science'

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Post by bryanlarsen »

terminalshort wrote: post #3

I can't take any of this seriously so long as any research on race and intelligence continues to be banned as heresy rather than being discussed scientifically.

Race is not a genetic concept, it's social.

Or more accurately, if it were genetic the races would look very different.

The genetic diversity of "black" alone exceeds the rest of the world combined.

So you have two choices:

1. Everybody is black.

2. The other races roughly stand, but there are dozens of different black races.

Or you can be more accurate and say race is cultural.

Re: Genetic data from over 20k U.S. children misused for 'race science'

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Post by terminalshort »

conception wrote: post #5
terminalshort wrote: post #3

I can't take any of this seriously so long as any research on race and intelligence continues to be banned as heresy rather than being discussed scientifically.

For one the idea of race is a social, not scientific, construct. It doesn’t mean anything scientifically.

You are a perfect example of what I am talking about. That is an obvious lie. Of course it means something scientifically because it refers to a genetic grouping. e.g. black people are much more likely to have the genetic disease sickle cell anemia. Nobody seems to have much of a problem with that statement but if it were a gene related to intelligence you people would lose your minds.

If it isn't a scientifically valid concept, then why did the NIH label the genetic data by race?

Re: Genetic data from over 20k U.S. children misused for 'race science'

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Post by terminalshort »

amarcheschi wrote: post #6
terminalshort wrote: post #3

I can't take any of this seriously so long as any research on race and intelligence continues to be banned as heresy rather than being discussed scientifically.

The person in question in the article is kirkegaard, you should not take seriously what he does anyway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Diversity_Foundation edit since i was feeling really daring today i found an old archived page of a wiki holding a lot of interesting thoughts from him, such as eugenics to prevent the loss of western civilization, and other points that at this point you should imagine. link: http…

This criticism seems to mostly be that he is associated with bad people who say naughty things. Maybe he is a bad scientist, but where are all the well designed scientific studies that show his conclusions are wrong? That's what I care about, but they don't exist because you would never get funding and even to propose running such a study would be career suicide.

Re: Genetic data from over 20k U.S. children misused for 'race science'

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Post by hubber »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #11
terminalshort wrote: post #3

I can't take any of this seriously so long as any research on race and intelligence continues to be banned as heresy rather than being discussed scientifically.

Race is not a genetic concept, it's social. Or more accurately, if it were genetic the races would look very different. The genetic diversity of "black" alone exceeds the rest of the world combined. So you have two choices: 1. Everybody is black. 2. The other races roughly stand, but there are dozens of different black races. Or you can be more accurate and say race is cultural.

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Re: Genetic data from over 20k U.S. children misused for 'race science'

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Post by terminalshort »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #11
terminalshort wrote: post #3

I can't take any of this seriously so long as any research on race and intelligence continues to be banned as heresy rather than being discussed scientifically.

Race is not a genetic concept, it's social. Or more accurately, if it were genetic the races would look very different. The genetic diversity of "black" alone exceeds the rest of the world combined. So you have two choices: 1. Everybody is black. 2. The other races roughly stand, but there are dozens of different black races. Or you can be more accurate and say race is cultural.

OK, then let's do it right. But I think you know that isn't really the issue here. Nobody is putting out studies on correctly defined races by genetic groupings and intelligence either because the topic is still considered heresy. Your point that the commonly used definition of race is inaccurate is simply deflecting from this fact.

Re: Genetic data from over 20k U.S. children misused for 'race science'

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Post by justin66 »

Cringe:

In a statement, Lyric Jorgenson, associate director of science policy at the N.I.H., said the agency had taken steps to protect the ABCD Study. It has introduced a new online portal requiring users to complete training on responsible data use and to “pass a knowledge test prior to accessing the data.”

They have an online training and everything!

Re: Genetic data from over 20k U.S. children misused for 'race science'

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Post by inshard »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #11
terminalshort wrote: post #3

I can't take any of this seriously so long as any research on race and intelligence continues to be banned as heresy rather than being discussed scientifically.

Race is not a genetic concept, it's social. Or more accurately, if it were genetic the races would look very different. The genetic diversity of "black" alone exceeds the rest of the world combined. So you have two choices: 1. Everybody is black. 2. The other races roughly stand, but there are dozens of different black races. Or you can be more accurate and say race is cultural.

Many sub-Saharan African populations, such as Bantu-speaking West Africans, exhibit relatively lower genetic diversity compared to the Khoisan people, who typically have light brown skin. The Khoisan lineages diverged from those leading to Bantu and other sub-Saharan groups around 100,000–150,000 years ago, making them one of the most ancient human ancestries.

Re: Genetic data from over 20k U.S. children misused for 'race science'

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Post by terminalshort »

inshard wrote: post #18
bryanlarsen wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Race is not a genetic concept, it's social. Or more accurately, if it were genetic the races would look very different. The genetic diversity of "black" alone exceeds the rest of the world combined. So you have two choices: 1. Everybody is black. 2. The other races roughly stand, but there are dozens of different black races. Or you can be more accurate and say race is cultural.

Many sub-Saharan African populations, such as Bantu-speaking West Africans, exhibit relatively lower genetic diversity compared to the Khoisan people, who typically have light brown skin. The Khoisan lineages diverged from those leading to Bantu and other sub-Saharan groups around 100,000–150,000 years ago, making them one of the most ancient human ancestries.

All are equally ancient. They are 100-150K years from the common ancestor and so are all others descended from that lineage.

Re: Genetic data from over 20k U.S. children misused for 'race science'

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Post by just_once »

terminalshort wrote: post #12
conception wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For one the idea of race is a social, not scientific, construct. It doesn’t mean anything scientifically.

You are a perfect example of what I am talking about. That is an obvious lie. Of course it means something scientifically because it refers to a genetic grouping. e.g. black people are much more likely to have the genetic disease sickle cell anemia. Nobody seems to have much of a problem with that statement but if it were a gene related to intelligence you people would lose your minds. If it isn't a scientifically va…

Would you feel better if people said "people of African descent are much more likely to have a genetic disease sickle cell anemia"?
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