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Whistleblower tells senators that Meta undermined U.S. security, interests

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It's interesting to think about the way in which the Chinese government operates compared to the government of other countries like the US. The US government was conceived as merely a public utility to fund public works; there was no single ideological basis beyond that. Freedom isn't a "single" ideology because it encapsulates all possible ideologies. The ideology rested with the people themselves to implement on an individual basis. The CCP, on the other hand, was conceived as an ideological movement with specific goals.

Now that the Chinese economy has become so important in the world, the ideological aspects are seeping into the economies of all countries, though it doesn't translate well into western politics. I think this is because the western political system was a limited-trust system, it only worked well when the state was anemic; if the state becomes big (cash-rich), companies will find that they can start to earn significant sums of money from the state, they will redirect their attention to catering to the needs of the state and away from the private sector. Unfortunately the western state has no intrinsic ideology, no intrinsic needs or goals, so it will lead to corruption or faux-adoption of external ideologies (as a means to serve private financial interests).

Western governments cannot form genuine ideological movements (besides the ideology of economic pragmatism) IMO because their foundations aren't designed to support anything besides that. They are founded on the principles of individualism and limited state power.

Re: Whistleblower tells senators that Meta undermined U.S. security, interests

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost certainly blocked by NDA; that is her inviting Congress to issue a subpoena so she has legal cover.

A corporate NDA doesn't block someone from cooperating with legal proceedings or submitting evidence to a hearing.

And an NDA being void due to such a situation does not stop the company from taking legal action against, costing you lots of money and time to defend

Re: Whistleblower tells senators that Meta undermined U.S. security, interests

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost certainly blocked by NDA; that is her inviting Congress to issue a subpoena so she has legal cover.

A corporate NDA doesn't block someone from cooperating with legal proceedings or submitting evidence to a hearing.

Exactly what legal proceedings though? That's the point.

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> And she says she has the “documents” to back up her accusations. Then show those documents? It's hard to take these allegations seriously when the mysterious proof is only alluded to, not submitted as part of the testimony.

It is even harder to take the accusations seriously, given that she made factually provably wrong statements that contradict the reality (and the original article in the OP actually contrasted those very plainly and directly, gotta commend good journalism there).

> Wynn-Willias told senators that Meta built a “physical pipeline connecting the United States and China” and executives “ignored warnings that this would provide backdoor access to the Chinese Communist Party, allowing them to intercept the personal data and private messages of American citizens.”

> She said that China does not currently have access to U.S. user data only because Congress “stepped in.”

> The pipeline to China mentioned by the whistleblower, the Pacific Light Cable, was never completed.

> The cable, which was first announced in 2016 with support from Facebook, Google and other companies, was envisioned as a high-capacity fiberoptic undersea cable running thousands of miles under the Pacific Ocean connecting Los Angeles and Hong Kong.

> Bloomberg reported in 2020 that Facebook, Google and other companies abandoned their plans to link the U.S. to Hong Kong. They revised their proposal to build the link only as far as Taiwan and the Philippines, according to Bloomberg.

Real talk, I have zero idea how she could explain this one away, other than with “it came to me in a dream.”

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It's interesting to think about the way in which the Chinese government operates compared to the government of other countries like the US. The US government was conceived as merely a public utility to fund public works; there was no single ideological basis beyond that. Freedom isn't a "single" ideology because it encapsulates all possible ideologies. The ideology rested with the people themselves to implement on an…

Precisely why China needs to be a whole lot less important to the world. Freedom and personal liberty actually are ideologies. They don’t encompass every ideology that doesn’t make sense at all.

I’d say CCP and many other governments like Russia and Ukraine are FAR more corrupt than the US. Your argument really doesn’t make sense.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A corporate NDA doesn't block someone from cooperating with legal proceedings or submitting evidence to a hearing.

And an NDA being void due to such a situation does not stop the company from taking legal action against, costing you lots of money and time to defend

Exactly. That's why the public hearing was held. To make her and the case famous. This is how you play the game. Now Meta can still sue but it risks damaging its public image by going after a famous whistleblower.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost certainly blocked by NDA; that is her inviting Congress to issue a subpoena so she has legal cover.

A corporate NDA doesn't block someone from cooperating with legal proceedings or submitting evidence to a hearing.

Why did you just make up a legal proceeding? There are no proceedings (yet) - that is the entire point of this.

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> And she says she has the “documents” to back up her accusations. Then show those documents? It's hard to take these allegations seriously when the mysterious proof is only alluded to, not submitted as part of the testimony.

It is even harder to take the accusations seriously, given that she made factually provably wrong statements that contradict the reality (and the original article in the OP actually contrasted those very plainly and directly, gotta commend good journalism there). > Wynn-Willias told senators that Meta built a “physical pipeline connecting the United States and China” and executives “ignored warnings that this would p…

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