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"AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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Post by auggierose »

llm_trw wrote: post #6
auggierose wrote: post #4

You could probably make the same argument for search bar vs. peer-reviewed publications. Of course, the search bar (which is also AI, by the way) can help you to get to the peer-reviewed publications. But the same is true for ChatGPT. The problem is that ChatGPT sounds like presenting objective facts. But maybe the lesson here is that just because something sounds right, it isn't necessarily right, and that is someth…

I had that same argument, the teacher who told me to not trust non peer reviewed articles ended up flooding her Facebook was with pro-brexit lies a decade later. Turns out critical thinking is not outsourcing your thinking to a third party, be it a peer reviewes journal, google search results, or chatgpt.

Indeed, you could apply the same argument to peer-reviewed articles, although at the moment they are still much (much!) more reliable than ChatGPT.

Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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Post by auggierose »

lionkor wrote: post #9
llm_trw wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had that same argument, the teacher who told me to not trust non peer reviewed articles ended up flooding her Facebook was with pro-brexit lies a decade later. Turns out critical thinking is not outsourcing your thinking to a third party, be it a peer reviewes journal, google search results, or chatgpt.

What is a 'pro brexit lie'?

£350m a week for the NHS

Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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Post by Semaphor »

lionkor wrote: post #8
Semaphor wrote: post #5

If they only trust ChatGPT, why not just show them? From asking leading questions, to simply asking ChatGPT what the chances are of it making mistakes and hallucinating, there are tons of options. Considering this is a transcription of a deleted twitter post, my internet radar of "yeah, that happened" gives a lower chance this is true than your average ChatGPT answer.

I'm sure it happened, I've had conversations with younger people that went like that. They pick this up before they start learning critical thinking

And you didn’t get the idea to just show them, as I said, either? I’m not saying it’s impossible for little kids not to know about it, I’m saying it’s very straightforward to show them why that’s wrong by using the one tool they seem to believe.

Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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Post by bamboozled »

auggierose wrote: post #4

You could probably make the same argument for search bar vs. peer-reviewed publications. Of course, the search bar (which is also AI, by the way) can help you to get to the peer-reviewed publications. But the same is true for ChatGPT. The problem is that ChatGPT sounds like presenting objective facts. But maybe the lesson here is that just because something sounds right, it isn't necessarily right, and that is someth…

A good way to learn this is to build something, wood working is an awesome way to quickly find out, looking, feeling and even someone taking a measurement isn’t enough, you need to take two :)

Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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Post by Angostura »

lionkor wrote: post #9
llm_trw wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had that same argument, the teacher who told me to not trust non peer reviewed articles ended up flooding her Facebook was with pro-brexit lies a decade later. Turns out critical thinking is not outsourcing your thinking to a third party, be it a peer reviewes journal, google search results, or chatgpt.

What is a 'pro brexit lie'?

Immigration will be reduced

We will be able to negotiate excellent trade deals outside the EU effortlessly

The EU need our trade so badly we will be able to negotiate a seamless trade deal with them

… and many others.

Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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Post by kukkeliskuu »

auggierose wrote: post #11
llm_trw wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had that same argument, the teacher who told me to not trust non peer reviewed articles ended up flooding her Facebook was with pro-brexit lies a decade later. Turns out critical thinking is not outsourcing your thinking to a third party, be it a peer reviewes journal, google search results, or chatgpt.

Indeed, you could apply the same argument to peer-reviewed articles, although at the moment they are still much (much!) more reliable than ChatGPT.

Ever heard of replication crisis?

Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

#18

Post by lionkor »

Angostura wrote: post #16
lionkor wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is a 'pro brexit lie'?

Immigration will be reduced We will be able to negotiate excellent trade deals outside the EU effortlessly The EU need our trade so badly we will be able to negotiate a seamless trade deal with them … and many others.

interesting, thank you! I hadnt followed it when it happened.

Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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Post by lionkor »

Semaphor wrote: post #13
lionkor wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure it happened, I've had conversations with younger people that went like that. They pick this up before they start learning critical thinking

And you didn’t get the idea to just show them, as I said, either? I’m not saying it’s impossible for little kids not to know about it, I’m saying it’s very straightforward to show them why that’s wrong by using the one tool they seem to believe.

I fully agree with you, yeah. What helped for me is demonstrating that it will say whatever to seem smart, once thats demonstrated its easier to see that its not facts, its just convincing language.
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