"AI", students, and epistemic crisis
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"AI", students, and epistemic crisis
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Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis
#2well point the student at the little disclaimer that says that it may sometimes be incorrect!
Of course they changed it multiple times, it used to say that you shouldnt take what it says at face value, now it says it may sometimes be inaccurate, soon it'll say "learn more" and link to a page about how their model is super accurate but potentially, one in a million, makes mistakes.
Im worried about these students because they will be in power in a few decades. Its already a shitshow with people who didnt grow up as AI iPad toddlers.
I feel like parents are failing here, more than anything else. You can't stop these companies from doing this if it drives up the stock price, equally you cant vote against it effectively because a majority of the voting population either doesn't care, doesn't know, or asks ChatGPT what to vote for.
Of course Plato was right and the only way we can fix it is to have philosophers in charge, not demagogues. Good luck with that, maybe in another 2000 years we'll be smart enough to make that happen!
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#3"I am one person trying to work against a campaign of misinformation so vast that it fucking terrifies me. This kid is being set up for a life lived entirely inside the hall of mirrors."
This is a little hyperbolic and instead maybe the kid can learn that chatgpt.com is not a reliable source. It even says at the bottom of the page "chat gpt can make mistakes". Lots of things are not reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Teachers are supposed to teach this, and teach cross referencing at the very least, not freak out.
Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis
#4You could probably make the same argument for search bar vs. peer-reviewed publications. Of course, the search bar (which is also AI, by the way) can help you to get to the peer-reviewed publications. But the same is true for ChatGPT. The problem is that ChatGPT sounds like presenting objective facts. But maybe the lesson here is that just because something sounds right, it isn't necessarily right, and that is something that should be taught in school. Of course, that undermines the function of school to produce obedient citizens.
Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis
#5If they only trust ChatGPT, why not just show them? From asking leading questions, to simply asking ChatGPT what the chances are of it making mistakes and hallucinating, there are tons of options.
Considering this is a transcription of a deleted twitter post, my internet radar of "yeah, that happened" gives a lower chance this is true than your average ChatGPT answer.
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#6You could probably make the same argument for search bar vs. peer-reviewed publications. Of course, the search bar (which is also AI, by the way) can help you to get to the peer-reviewed publications. But the same is true for ChatGPT. The problem is that ChatGPT sounds like presenting objective facts. But maybe the lesson here is that just because something sounds right, it isn't necessarily right, and that is someth…
I had that same argument, the teacher who told me to not trust non peer reviewed articles ended up flooding her Facebook was with pro-brexit lies a decade later. Turns out critical thinking is not outsourcing your thinking to a third party, be it a peer reviewes journal, google search results, or chatgpt.
Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis
#7You could probably make the same argument for search bar vs. peer-reviewed publications. Of course, the search bar (which is also AI, by the way) can help you to get to the peer-reviewed publications. But the same is true for ChatGPT. The problem is that ChatGPT sounds like presenting objective facts. But maybe the lesson here is that just because something sounds right, it isn't necessarily right, and that is someth…
It also undermines the way schools work to teach kids. In order to not have to explain everything, almost all lessons are mostly teaching you some axioms, even if they really are disputed, or have caveats, etc. Good teachers make clear where there is an axiom, and where something is just being simplified or assumed for the sake of saving time.
I am a product of the German school system, I'd say I wasn't indoctrinated too much, so its not entirely broken, but with these new """tools""" maybe we need a reform anyways.
Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis
#8If they only trust ChatGPT, why not just show them? From asking leading questions, to simply asking ChatGPT what the chances are of it making mistakes and hallucinating, there are tons of options. Considering this is a transcription of a deleted twitter post, my internet radar of "yeah, that happened" gives a lower chance this is true than your average ChatGPT answer.
I'm sure it happened, I've had conversations with younger people that went like that. They pick this up before they start learning critical thinking
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#9You could probably make the same argument for search bar vs. peer-reviewed publications. Of course, the search bar (which is also AI, by the way) can help you to get to the peer-reviewed publications. But the same is true for ChatGPT. The problem is that ChatGPT sounds like presenting objective facts. But maybe the lesson here is that just because something sounds right, it isn't necessarily right, and that is someth…
I had that same argument, the teacher who told me to not trust non peer reviewed articles ended up flooding her Facebook was with pro-brexit lies a decade later. Turns out critical thinking is not outsourcing your thinking to a third party, be it a peer reviewes journal, google search results, or chatgpt.
What is a 'pro brexit lie'?
Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis
#10"I am one person trying to work against a campaign of misinformation so vast that it fucking terrifies me. This kid is being set up for a life lived entirely inside the hall of mirrors." This is a little hyperbolic and instead maybe the kid can learn that chatgpt.com is not a reliable source. It even says at the bottom of the page "chat gpt can make mistakes". Lots of things are not reliable sources. Wikipedia is not…
Not sure if I would teach cross referencing to kids with parents who clearly dont care, for minimum wage ;)