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I wonder if they'll still do this once Reddit IPOs
At that point it becomes "building value for the shareholder" and "minimizing risk for the shareholder".
Except in this case, users are the product, and if you ruin the experience for the user then you've ruined your own product, thus defeating the shareholder.
The only thing Reddit offers is a user community on a mega-forum.
> Voltage Holdings and Screen Media Ventures cited Reddit posts in which users say that Frontier didn't terminate their Internet service despite sending many copyright infringement notices about torrent downloads. One of the users wrote, "I got a total of 44 emails from frontier about downloading torrents and that it could terminate service. They haven't yet. And I kinda feel like if they didn't do it after 44 emails…
My understanding is that the users in question were talking about piracy or committing piracy on reddit and the movie companies want to get the IPs of those users from reddit in order to prove that Frontier isnt terminating people committing piracy. Alternatively, depending on how large the list of users they requested IPs for from reddit is, it could be a fishing expedition to see if any of them happen to belong to…
Eg: someone makes a parody of an old Monty Python song and states, “I’m a pirate and that’s ok.”
Should this count in an age where the vast majority of legal notices in this genre are robo-lawyers? Should my internet connection be severed because a guest was bored and posted to Reddit while at my house?
> Firms wanted seven years' worth of IP address logs on users who discussed piracy. Does that mean reddit stores ip addresses for 7 years? That seems excessive.
You can verify this using the data request feature.
> Firms wanted seven years' worth of IP address logs on users who discussed piracy. Does that mean reddit stores ip addresses for 7 years? That seems excessive.
Once again, IP addr is not a person. If you want to reveal who's who, you need to have a search warrant.
This isn’t about identifying a particular user, it’s about showing that Frontier does nothing to quell piracy by its users and thus provides an incentive to pirates to use their network.
Once again, IP addr is not a person. If you want to reveal who's who, you need to have a search warrant.
> IP addr is not a person And most IPV4 addresses are vague and only give a coarse location of where you are, and they're typically shared among many others so an IP is not a guaranteed signal that it was 'you' who pirated stuff.
That's not true, you can request/compel Frontier to tell you what specific customer that IP was assigned to at a given time.
> and they're typically shared among many others so an IP is not a guaranteed signal that it was 'you' who pirated stuff.
Most residential ISPs in the states have 1 ipv4 (and possibly ipv6) assigned per customer and don't CGNAT, from my brief research Frontier doesn't seem to use CGNAT at least for residential internet.
I wonder if they'll still do this once Reddit IPOs
This lawsuit is a big ad for Frontier. I'm going to see what services they offer.
> Firms wanted seven years' worth of IP address logs on users who discussed piracy. Does that mean reddit stores ip addresses for 7 years? That seems excessive.
As for the reason for 7 years worth of data, I think that's because the firm wants to go back and search for infringing acitivity on all those IP addresses due to dynamic IP updates and so forth. If the user is still active on Reddit the more recent IP addresses probably are enough to identify him if a warrant is served to the ISP. The ISPs I know only retain a link from a dynamic IP to a subscriber for one to two years max.
It's very aggravating when lawyers are just thrown at a problem because corporations are too lazy to do the work.