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Re: Apple developer boycott of Feedback Assistant

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I'm not sure I understand this. Wouldn't developers who need code-level assistance (i.e. have more than simple "feedback") submit a Technical Support Incident ( https://developer.apple.com/support/technical/ )?

Read the post - it's about bug reporting, not assistance with code or simple feedback.

The feedback assistant is primarily for reporting bugs. Bugs that impact developers.

Re: Apple developer boycott of Feedback Assistant

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post #5

I'm not sure I understand this. Wouldn't developers who need code-level assistance (i.e. have more than simple "feedback") submit a Technical Support Incident ( https://developer.apple.com/support/technical/ )?

Developers use feedback to file bugs. Why would they spend money to get help from Apple on how to do that?

"developers are a profit center" is your answer

Re: Apple developer boycott of Feedback Assistant

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post #5

I'm not sure I understand this. Wouldn't developers who need code-level assistance (i.e. have more than simple "feedback") submit a Technical Support Incident ( https://developer.apple.com/support/technical/ )?

Developers use feedback to file bugs. Why would they spend money to get help from Apple on how to do that?

> Developers use feedback to file bugs.

Yes, and they're specifically instructed to file TSIs if they need a workaround in the meantime. https://developer.apple.com/bug-reporting/

Should developers not have to do both? Sure. Should they ignore Apple's instructions and still expect to get help? Not sure.

Re: Apple developer boycott of Feedback Assistant

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post #5

I'm not sure I understand this. Wouldn't developers who need code-level assistance (i.e. have more than simple "feedback") submit a Technical Support Incident ( https://developer.apple.com/support/technical/ )?

Read the post - it's about bug reporting, not assistance with code or simple feedback. The feedback assistant is primarily for reporting bugs. Bugs that impact developers.

Reading the post is how I learned the developer didn't file Technical Support Incidents (TSIs).

Re: Apple developer boycott of Feedback Assistant

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The recent macOS dialog "Allow app to access folder [OK] [Cancel]" supports button cycling by Shift+Tab (previous), but not Tab (next). The Wi-Fi signal strength indication changes when clicking it. So yeah, at least they need to admit things are very bad over there.

Re: Apple developer boycott of Feedback Assistant

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post #8

I sympathize: even filing radars internally at Apple gets much of the same treatment, albeit with the ability to see the state of the radar.

Yeah he's lamenting how poorly the external developers are being treated but seems like they are largely being treated the same as Apple treats its own employees

Re: Apple developer boycott of Feedback Assistant

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Actions speak louder than words - Apple is letting it's developers know what it thinks of them. You're going to have to raise quite the ruckus to get them to change their behavior. There's really no impetus for them to change when they're sitting on a mountain of cash.

I never thought I'd wistfully look back on Steve Ballmer yelling DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!!!

Apple seem to view external developers as a kind of infestation. The systems and processes they subject them to seem designed to actively discourage them.

Re: Apple developer boycott of Feedback Assistant

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developers use feedback to file bugs. Why would they spend money to get help from Apple on how to do that?

> Developers use feedback to file bugs. Yes, and they're specifically instructed to file TSIs if they need a workaround in the meantime. https://developer.apple.com/bug-reporting/ Should developers not have to do both? Sure. Should they ignore Apple's instructions and still expect to get help? Not sure.

From experience, I have used a TSI when I need help with a bug in Apple's products. Every single time (about 5x) they "refunded" the TSI because it was an Apple bug. I have never had to pay for extra TSIs -- I use the ones that come with my developer account and (so far) they are always refunded. I don't know why people hoard them -- they are use it or lose it every year.

I have also gone to a virtual dev lab during WWDC which was awesome. Lots of "free" help from an Apple engineer (basically 30 minute speed run of lot of questions about Apple Watch workout app development).

I have mixed experience with Feedbacks. I have filed dozens that I actually care about and maybe 10% were a decent experience. The rest were essentially ignored.

Re: Apple developer boycott of Feedback Assistant

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read the post - it's about bug reporting, not assistance with code or simple feedback. The feedback assistant is primarily for reporting bugs. Bugs that impact developers.

Reading the post is how I learned the developer didn't file Technical Support Incidents (TSIs).

Almost every time, developer technical support will look at the internal bug and if there is no known workaround will say “sorry that’s our bug and engineering is investigating, we don’t have anything to tell you, please keep an eye on the feedback and we will update you if anything changes - in the meantime here’s your TSI refunded”.
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