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People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

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Re: People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

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4 year old Lenovo laptop here, 16GB RAM and SSD. Bootup from cold is around 5-seconds, everything is pretty snappy even with lots of browser tabs open and VSCode running. Never had the start menu lag other people have reported. Definitely faster than it was when Windows 10 was installed.

Have you checked for viruses? Last time I saw a machine that slow booting up, even with a spinning disk, it was riddled with viruses.

Re: People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

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8700K with NVMe SSD and 32 GB RAM. My Windows 11 machine boots in seconds and is quite speedy. The only exception being the absolutely sluggish Start Menu. I do uninstall anything that doesn't need to be installed and I also police startup items with the SysInternals tools[1]. If those systems are using a spinning HDD, you're doomed. W11 is designed for SSD systems. I doubt MSFT cares about HDD installs. And with PCs…

> If those systems are using a spinning HDD, you're doomed. W11 is designed for SSD systems.

Does this mean anything except "Microsoft has decided not to bother being efficient with disc accesses"?

Re: People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

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8700K with NVMe SSD and 32 GB RAM. My Windows 11 machine boots in seconds and is quite speedy. The only exception being the absolutely sluggish Start Menu. I do uninstall anything that doesn't need to be installed and I also police startup items with the SysInternals tools[1]. If those systems are using a spinning HDD, you're doomed. W11 is designed for SSD systems. I doubt MSFT cares about HDD installs. And with PCs…

> If those systems are using a spinning HDD, you're doomed. W11 is designed for SSD systems. Does this mean anything except "Microsoft has decided not to bother being efficient with disc accesses"?

I'm not sure what it means other than "MSFT isn't really paying attention to making sure W11 works well on HDD boot drives".

Does it mean extreme inefficiency with disk access, or does it mean heavy read-aheads plus aggressive caching? Who knows, but if you Google for "Windows 11 SSD optimized" you'll get pages and pages of results about SSD bugs and issues that have plagued large swath of users. Eg. KB5007262

Re: People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

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8700K with NVMe SSD and 32 GB RAM. My Windows 11 machine boots in seconds and is quite speedy. The only exception being the absolutely sluggish Start Menu. I do uninstall anything that doesn't need to be installed and I also police startup items with the SysInternals tools[1]. If those systems are using a spinning HDD, you're doomed. W11 is designed for SSD systems. I doubt MSFT cares about HDD installs. And with PCs…

Home machine is a Ryzen 7 5000 series on 11 pro and it's decently fast. work machine is a Ryzen 7 4000 series and it's dog slow, especially network shares or network applications and I haven't a clue why. 64gb ram in my home box and 32gb in my work one. both on nvme disks. the beta 1 of 11 was crazy fast compared to windows 10 but somewhere they made it dog slow before releasing it

Re: People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

#15
I found Windows 10 rapidly gets slow, the slowest being opening the Start menu and right-clicking taskbar buttons. Possibly the menus are a new implementation: all the new menus etc in Win10 and 11 seem to open slowly or repaint slowly under Parallels.

Windows 11 so far feels slightly faster in terms of responsiveness and UI. However my typical performance benchmark is to run a build of the software stack I work on, which takes 1.5 hours (good machine) to 3 hours (slow or low-end VM.) On the same VM, upgraded from Win10 to Win11, this build slowed from about 2:45 to closer to 3 hours. Minor over such a long timeframe, but it does show the OS is definitely not faster.

Re: People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

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8700K with NVMe SSD and 32 GB RAM. My Windows 11 machine boots in seconds and is quite speedy. The only exception being the absolutely sluggish Start Menu. I do uninstall anything that doesn't need to be installed and I also police startup items with the SysInternals tools[1]. If those systems are using a spinning HDD, you're doomed. W11 is designed for SSD systems. I doubt MSFT cares about HDD installs. And with PCs…

Home machine is a Ryzen 7 5000 series on 11 pro and it's decently fast. work machine is a Ryzen 7 4000 series and it's dog slow, especially network shares or network applications and I haven't a clue why. 64gb ram in my home box and 32gb in my work one. both on nvme disks. the beta 1 of 11 was crazy fast compared to windows 10 but somewhere they made it dog slow before releasing it

Work computer probably has various agents etc running on it.

One of my favorites was a script pushed by GPO that was flagged by Crowdstrike, which caused some other stupid process to fail and freeze things.

Re: People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

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Home machine is a Ryzen 7 5000 series on 11 pro and it's decently fast. work machine is a Ryzen 7 4000 series and it's dog slow, especially network shares or network applications and I haven't a clue why. 64gb ram in my home box and 32gb in my work one. both on nvme disks. the beta 1 of 11 was crazy fast compared to windows 10 but somewhere they made it dog slow before releasing it

Work computer probably has various agents etc running on it. One of my favorites was a script pushed by GPO that was flagged by Crowdstrike, which caused some other stupid process to fail and freeze things.

We are rolling out Crowdstrike at work and it made my disk I/O plummet. Our team is still working out whether we have a misconfiguration or not, but some adhoc before/after perfmon tests indicate my NVMe SSD throughput is now exactly 10% of what it was before installing Crowdstrike.

Re: People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

#19
The HDD may be having to retry reads on weak/bad sectors. Run Steve Gibson's SpinRight on it. It spots sectors that are having problems but not yet totally failed, and tells the controller to swap them out for spares (which is what the controller would do when they completely failed.)

It also works on SSDs, and yes, SSDs have the same problem because the drive controllers were not written from scratch.

(No affiliation here. It's just a tool I use because it works.)

Re: People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

#20
After some update (Dell XPS) either from Microsoft or perhaps Dell, I noticed that my CPU was thermal throttling despite being only around 50C. I was using the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility to diagnose processor state. Digging in some more with the Throttle Stop app, for some reason my system was activating BD PROCHOT and throttling the CPU down to 0.8 GHz.

A quick search shows that this can be a bad sensor on the motherboard or something to do with the power supply being identified as non Dell (incorrectly in my case).

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