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Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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You might want to actually go and read a few things about how they differ before making such uninformed statements.

There are people who know them from reality, not from some book sponsored by the CIA.

What are you even talking about? Be specific rather than tossing around vague insinuations.

Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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There was a recent case in the Netherlands were a lawyer used his client privilege to help a drug dealer run his empire. edit: From a maximum security prison. It was hilarious. If you want to do spying you don't exclude anyone or it's pointless. Journalist is a great cover for spies- ask the CIA.

As far as I knew they have a long standing policy to specifically not use journalists, peace corps or religious figures for non official cover specifically because it was considered pissing in the pool for everyone else.

I’m pretty open to being wrong on this one but do you have any case studies to point to that say otherwise?

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Another link: https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-... > The Council reached an agreement on 21 June 2023 on the much-needed European Media Freedom Act, a legislation proposed by the European Commission on 16 September 2022 with the intention to introduce safeguards against political interference, media concentration, and to protect journalists and their sources against surveillance. Since then…

If the West is so hellbent on cracking down on everything we allegedly stand for (democracy, free press, free speech, etc) all that other fun illusionary stuff) why not skip the war with China and Russia and just settle with what we have and shake hands with them ?

Realpolitik.

China and Russia that supply us with gas and cheap plastic and do as they're told are fine.

A china or Russia that don't do as they're told must be dealt with. No amount of democracy or freedom or lawful behavior changes that. That's why we did nothing to make Russia open and democratic and part of a global future, when they literally begged us to.

Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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The EU is progressively turning into a totalitarian construct.

Especially when it comes to digital laws and spying on its citizens.

But when the base is faulty (Lisboa treaty) you can't expect the construct not to be faulty.

Their actions give wind to right wing extremist parties throughout Europe.

Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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Another link: https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-... > The Council reached an agreement on 21 June 2023 on the much-needed European Media Freedom Act, a legislation proposed by the European Commission on 16 September 2022 with the intention to introduce safeguards against political interference, media concentration, and to protect journalists and their sources against surveillance. Since then…

If the West is so hellbent on cracking down on everything we allegedly stand for (democracy, free press, free speech, etc) all that other fun illusionary stuff) why not skip the war with China and Russia and just settle with what we have and shake hands with them ?

The intelligence agencies and military need to stay busy and gain practical experience, if there is some sort of real conflict. Civilian life doesn't really afford them that opportunity. There are many anecdotes throughout history of comfortable empires falling from lack of experience in the field. Proxy wars and espionage campaigns are good practice, probably the best you'll get in the 21st century (so far).

Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the West is so hellbent on cracking down on everything we allegedly stand for (democracy, free press, free speech, etc) all that other fun illusionary stuff) why not skip the war with China and Russia and just settle with what we have and shake hands with them ?

Realpolitik. China and Russia that supply us with gas and cheap plastic and do as they're told are fine. A china or Russia that don't do as they're told must be dealt with. No amount of democracy or freedom or lawful behavior changes that. That's why we did nothing to make Russia open and democratic and part of a global future, when they literally begged us to.

Multi-polarity is already happening, there's not a lot the West can do to change that.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the West is so hellbent on cracking down on everything we allegedly stand for (democracy, free press, free speech, etc) all that other fun illusionary stuff) why not skip the war with China and Russia and just settle with what we have and shake hands with them ?

The intelligence agencies and military need to stay busy and gain practical experience, if there is some sort of real conflict. Civilian life doesn't really afford them that opportunity. There are many anecdotes throughout history of comfortable empires falling from lack of experience in the field. Proxy wars and espionage campaigns are good practice, probably the best you'll get in the 21st century (so far).

Sure, they're basically building up their own enemies only to then either suffer the blowback or fight and disarm them.

Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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There was a recent case in the Netherlands were a lawyer used his client privilege to help a drug dealer run his empire. edit: From a maximum security prison. It was hilarious. If you want to do spying you don't exclude anyone or it's pointless. Journalist is a great cover for spies- ask the CIA.

Yeah and government agencies do the same all the time to avoid information release through public record laws. Don't want a pesky journalist poking in your emails? Just CC the staff lawyer and all those emails need to be redacted. It gets weirder when the FOIA officer is that lawyer.

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The EU is progressively turning into a totalitarian construct. Especially when it comes to digital laws and spying on its citizens. But when the base is faulty (Lisboa treaty) you can't expect the construct not to be faulty. Their actions give wind to right wing extremist parties throughout Europe.

The whole purpose of EU is to be able to blindingly push all such totalitarian, anti European, pro capital and pro US decisions that would have almost no chance to pass in most of the national parliaments.
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