Earlier quoted context omitted.
You might want to actually go and read a few things about how they differ before making such uninformed statements.
There are people who know them from reality, not from some book sponsored by the CIA.
Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists
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Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists
#12There was a recent case in the Netherlands were a lawyer used his client privilege to help a drug dealer run his empire. edit: From a maximum security prison. It was hilarious. If you want to do spying you don't exclude anyone or it's pointless. Journalist is a great cover for spies- ask the CIA.
I’m pretty open to being wrong on this one but do you have any case studies to point to that say otherwise?
Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists
#13Another link: https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-... > The Council reached an agreement on 21 June 2023 on the much-needed European Media Freedom Act, a legislation proposed by the European Commission on 16 September 2022 with the intention to introduce safeguards against political interference, media concentration, and to protect journalists and their sources against surveillance. Since then…
If the West is so hellbent on cracking down on everything we allegedly stand for (democracy, free press, free speech, etc) all that other fun illusionary stuff) why not skip the war with China and Russia and just settle with what we have and shake hands with them ?
China and Russia that supply us with gas and cheap plastic and do as they're told are fine.
A china or Russia that don't do as they're told must be dealt with. No amount of democracy or freedom or lawful behavior changes that. That's why we did nothing to make Russia open and democratic and part of a global future, when they literally begged us to.
Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists
#14Especially when it comes to digital laws and spying on its citizens.
But when the base is faulty (Lisboa treaty) you can't expect the construct not to be faulty.
Their actions give wind to right wing extremist parties throughout Europe.
Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists
#15Another link: https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-... > The Council reached an agreement on 21 June 2023 on the much-needed European Media Freedom Act, a legislation proposed by the European Commission on 16 September 2022 with the intention to introduce safeguards against political interference, media concentration, and to protect journalists and their sources against surveillance. Since then…
If the West is so hellbent on cracking down on everything we allegedly stand for (democracy, free press, free speech, etc) all that other fun illusionary stuff) why not skip the war with China and Russia and just settle with what we have and shake hands with them ?
Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the West is so hellbent on cracking down on everything we allegedly stand for (democracy, free press, free speech, etc) all that other fun illusionary stuff) why not skip the war with China and Russia and just settle with what we have and shake hands with them ?
Realpolitik. China and Russia that supply us with gas and cheap plastic and do as they're told are fine. A china or Russia that don't do as they're told must be dealt with. No amount of democracy or freedom or lawful behavior changes that. That's why we did nothing to make Russia open and democratic and part of a global future, when they literally begged us to.
Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the West is so hellbent on cracking down on everything we allegedly stand for (democracy, free press, free speech, etc) all that other fun illusionary stuff) why not skip the war with China and Russia and just settle with what we have and shake hands with them ?
The intelligence agencies and military need to stay busy and gain practical experience, if there is some sort of real conflict. Civilian life doesn't really afford them that opportunity. There are many anecdotes throughout history of comfortable empires falling from lack of experience in the field. Proxy wars and espionage campaigns are good practice, probably the best you'll get in the 21st century (so far).
Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists
#18There was a recent case in the Netherlands were a lawyer used his client privilege to help a drug dealer run his empire. edit: From a maximum security prison. It was hilarious. If you want to do spying you don't exclude anyone or it's pointless. Journalist is a great cover for spies- ask the CIA.
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#19Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists
#20The EU is progressively turning into a totalitarian construct. Especially when it comes to digital laws and spying on its citizens. But when the base is faulty (Lisboa treaty) you can't expect the construct not to be faulty. Their actions give wind to right wing extremist parties throughout Europe.