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The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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post #5

Such a weird decision given the results they indicate. Was there any rational thought behind the layoffs beyond giving the metaverse more dollars?

It wouldn't surprise me if someone glanced at the "Probabilistic Programming Team" name and said "I don't know what that is but I doubt we need it" and added them to the chopping block.

Facebook/Meta is an engineering-first organisation. There's no way that is how it went down.

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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This is sad. I find probablistic programming languages very interesting. This probably means that many of the most useful ideas are disappeared. Does anyone know any relevant papers that describe what they did?

His post mentions "Bean Machine."

https://ericlippert.com/2020/09/23/introducing-bean-machine/

https://beanmachine.org/

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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Such a weird decision given the results they indicate. Was there any rational thought behind the layoffs beyond giving the metaverse more dollars?

It's possible to have teams that save millions of dollars a year and not be worth it to keep them.

For the sake of argument, let's say a statistics team has 5 people.

Cost of Employee at FB, including insurance, office space, 401K match, salary, bonuses = 250K/year (probably very conservative).

Cost of Data and Software Infrastructure to support them (including people to respond to Infrastructure support tickets), let's just be very conservative = 100K/year.

Cost of People Management overhead to support them. Includes salary of at least one manager, not to mention the time of a program manager, project manager, product manager, or whomever else. Let's just say 500K/year.

Total = 1.85 Million/Year.

Let's say this team of 5 people comes up models that save the company $4M a year. I once had a VP tell me that to justify a Data Scientist on the team, they needed to have a savings of 10X what they cost the company to have that person on staff. I know this logic and math seems very weak and hazy. Mapping costs is a strange thing. But this is how some decision makers think, and this is how people get cut.

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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Always a big fan of Eric's blog so its sad to hear this story.

I feel like MBAs need to do a better job at learning about selective truths. Far too many snap decisions made based on seeing the tip of a dataset in some corporate spreadsheet and assuming clarity in the data. In this case seeing the cost of this team and not seeing the saving its was generating for other teams.

Or maybe it was just political as Zuckerburg slid the hatchet away from the Metaverse and onto things of (arguably) greater value.

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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post #3

I work in the field of Data Science and one upsetting reality has started to sink into my mind over the last year. In a business there is top line and bottom line. There are a lot Statistics/ML/Data Science jobs that are about moving that bottom line. You build something to optimize something to reduce costs. The value provided by the bottom line people is less visible than the value of top line people. The easiest w…

I think this is an insightful assessment. Not everyone in a company can be top line. But I also think there's a lot more opportunity in using statistics/ml/data science in the top line than most companies practice.

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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Such a weird decision given the results they indicate. Was there any rational thought behind the layoffs beyond giving the metaverse more dollars?

The author made it fairly clear why he thought they were let go; they weren't in the critical path anywhere.

The only rationalization is that Wall Street is punishing meta for spending too much on R&D related to VR and cutting costs to the bone is one way to appease the market gods.

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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post #3

I work in the field of Data Science and one upsetting reality has started to sink into my mind over the last year. In a business there is top line and bottom line. There are a lot Statistics/ML/Data Science jobs that are about moving that bottom line. You build something to optimize something to reduce costs. The value provided by the bottom line people is less visible than the value of top line people. The easiest w…

Yeah I've worked in infrastructure through most of my career wherever such a distinction is available (or when it opens up), and this is a common complaint. Product folks get the most visibility and get kudos and parties for product launches. Meanwhile, the deployment infrastructure staying up is just expected, even though the engineers responsible for it are working hard to keep it up. It affects team morale (infrastructure teams are unrecognized for their hard work) and also has material affects on promotions and compensation as it's harder to justify business impact on these teams. I know folks that left infrastructure teams because of this dynamic.

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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post #3

I work in the field of Data Science and one upsetting reality has started to sink into my mind over the last year. In a business there is top line and bottom line. There are a lot Statistics/ML/Data Science jobs that are about moving that bottom line. You build something to optimize something to reduce costs. The value provided by the bottom line people is less visible than the value of top line people. The easiest w…

Cutting costs but bringing no revenue shows as Cost Center on any financial report. Revenue though shows up as Revenue center. Thus this decisions which sometimes are illogical. Sad but true :)

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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> Most of my team has found other positions and I am hopeful that the rest will soon.

Wow, I guess I would've figured that it would take people with this kind of background a while to find another gig (working on similar things) in the current environment. So maybe things aren't as bad as they seem? (yet, anyway)

> But after >26 years of thinking about programming languages for corporations, and the last three years of my work being thrown away, I need a good long corporate detox before I go looking again.

I feel this. I'm about to finish up a contract working on a product that's about to be killed (before ever really seeing the light of day) and it's kind of hard not to feel like Sisyphus at this point. Not really interested in looking for something else for a while.

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