Theory of what’s going to happen next at Twitter • Hacker News Board

Re: Theory of what’s going to happen next at Twitter

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Post by kweingar » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 4:18 PM UTC

jmeister wrote: post #7

kweingar wrote: post #6

Elon has a fascinating ability to make people look at things from his point of view. Suppose the story was something like “Jeff Bezos acquires company, immediately slashes workforce, maneuvers to avoid paying severance, reportedly forces engineers to work nights and weekends under threat of dismissal (and probably will lay them off anyway).” The tech community would be pretty united in saying the engineers would have…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_difference... Hackers may have even more contempt for the slackers and sanctimonious activists currently at Twitter. This is just like the far-left and the far-right aligning with Russia, because they loathe their immediate opposition so much.

Ahh, this makes sense to me.

I have been accused of looking at this entirely through the lens of hating Musk, but I imagine that many are looking at this entirely through the lens of hating Twitter.

Pretty short-sighted imo. My opinion about new leadership forcing engineers to work nights and weekends is entirely unaffected by the company’s former PR strategy for handling culture war issues.

Re: Theory of what’s going to happen next at Twitter

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Post by tablespoon » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 4:24 PM UTC

lightmyst wrote: post #4

He's mentioned several times that him expecting his employees to work 10-12 hours a day is ok because he himself works 18+ hours. How does he expect to retain employees when other companies pay way more than Tesla does for way fewer work hours? Am I missing something?

> How does he expect to retain employees when other companies pay way more than Tesla does for way fewer work hours? Am I missing something?

Cults?

At least for Telsa and SpaceX, his propaganda (PR) efforts have established some grand "for the good of humanity" narratives," for the companies, and passionate true-believers are easily exploited.

Re: Theory of what’s going to happen next at Twitter

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Post by _wolfie_ » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 4:26 PM UTC

socialismisok wrote: post #2

Not only this, but he's demanding people work 12+ hour days through weekends or get fired "for cause". He's doing everything he can to make layoffs happen without actually laying people off, which sure seems like he's trying to evade California's 60 day warning for layoffs. I suspect we'll see him in court over how this was handled.

> Not only this, but he's demanding people work 12+ hour days through weekends or get fired "for cause".

Question from Europe: Is that actually legal in the US? :-O

Re: Theory of what’s going to happen next at Twitter

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Post by hprotagonist » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 4:32 PM UTC

_wolfie_ wrote: post #13

socialismisok wrote: post #2

Not only this, but he's demanding people work 12+ hour days through weekends or get fired "for cause". He's doing everything he can to make layoffs happen without actually laying people off, which sure seems like he's trying to evade California's 60 day warning for layoffs. I suspect we'll see him in court over how this was handled.

> Not only this, but he's demanding people work 12+ hour days through weekends or get fired "for cause". Question from Europe: Is that actually legal in the US? :-O

no, but do you have the funds to prove the point?

Re: Theory of what’s going to happen next at Twitter

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Post by ergocoder » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 4:34 PM UTC

beardyw wrote: post #8

bogantech wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All those companies have hiring freezes and layoffs going on at the moment

And Twitter doesn't?

Twitter does, but the point is: there is no where to go. They are stuck.

Re: Theory of what’s going to happen next at Twitter

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Post by marstall » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 4:35 PM UTC

_wolfie_ wrote: post #13

socialismisok wrote: post #2

Not only this, but he's demanding people work 12+ hour days through weekends or get fired "for cause". He's doing everything he can to make layoffs happen without actually laying people off, which sure seems like he's trying to evade California's 60 day warning for layoffs. I suspect we'll see him in court over how this was handled.

> Not only this, but he's demanding people work 12+ hour days through weekends or get fired "for cause". Question from Europe: Is that actually legal in the US? :-O

possibly not - but we're all so brainwashed it wouldn't occur to us to question it ... work hard play hard!

Re: Theory of what’s going to happen next at Twitter

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Post by Volundr » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 4:44 PM UTC

hprotagonist wrote: post #14

_wolfie_ wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not only this, but he's demanding people work 12+ hour days through weekends or get fired "for cause". Question from Europe: Is that actually legal in the US? :-O

no, but do you have the funds to prove the point?

The department of labor does. Even here in Idaho it's amazing how excited the legal team gets when sent a letter of inquiry from the DoL. I imagine they have more teeth in CA.

Re: Theory of what’s going to happen next at Twitter

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Post by Imnimo » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 4:48 PM UTC

>There'll be plenty of people willing to work for cheap for Musk

Is this true? I buy that there are plenty of people willing to work on Tesla or SpaceX or even things like hyperloop. But do people have the same passion for Twitter?

Re: Theory of what’s going to happen next at Twitter

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Post by UncleMeat » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 4:53 PM UTC

Imnimo wrote: post #18

>There'll be plenty of people willing to work for cheap for Musk Is this true? I buy that there are plenty of people willing to work on Tesla or SpaceX or even things like hyperloop. But do people have the same passion for Twitter?

Musk seems to have a reality-distortion field like Jobs did. I absolutely know people who heard him talk about "The X App" and would quickly jump ship to work for him. I don't understand it at all, but he does seem to command this sort of following.

Re: Theory of what’s going to happen next at Twitter

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Post by UncleMeat » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 4:55 PM UTC

_wolfie_ wrote: post #13

socialismisok wrote: post #2

Not only this, but he's demanding people work 12+ hour days through weekends or get fired "for cause". He's doing everything he can to make layoffs happen without actually laying people off, which sure seems like he's trying to evade California's 60 day warning for layoffs. I suspect we'll see him in court over how this was handled.

> Not only this, but he's demanding people work 12+ hour days through weekends or get fired "for cause". Question from Europe: Is that actually legal in the US? :-O

Yes. The set of conditions that make it illegal to fire somebody in the US are very very small. "I need everybody to crunch 80 hour weeks for months and months" is a thing employers can do for most forms of white collar knowledge work.