Theory of what’s going to happen next at Twitter
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#2Not only this, but he's demanding people work 12+ hour days through weekends or get fired "for cause".
He's doing everything he can to make layoffs happen without actually laying people off, which sure seems like he's trying to evade California's 60 day warning for layoffs.
I suspect we'll see him in court over how this was handled.
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#3Not only this, but he's demanding people work 12+ hour days through weekends or get fired "for cause". He's doing everything he can to make layoffs happen without actually laying people off, which sure seems like he's trying to evade California's 60 day warning for layoffs. I suspect we'll see him in court over how this was handled.
I guess the question is, what are the limits on how you treat existing employees to avoid laws regarding layoffs by forcing a mass exodus?
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#4He's mentioned several times that him expecting his employees to work 10-12 hours a day is ok because he himself works 18+ hours. How does he expect to retain employees when other companies pay way more than Tesla does for way fewer work hours? Am I missing something?
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#5He's mentioned several times that him expecting his employees to work 10-12 hours a day is ok because he himself works 18+ hours. How does he expect to retain employees when other companies pay way more than Tesla does for way fewer work hours? Am I missing something?
All those companies have hiring freezes and layoffs going on at the moment
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#6Elon has a fascinating ability to make people look at things from his point of view.
Suppose the story was something like “Jeff Bezos acquires company, immediately slashes workforce, maneuvers to avoid paying severance, reportedly forces engineers to work nights and weekends under threat of dismissal (and probably will lay them off anyway).”
The tech community would be pretty united in saying the engineers would have to take care of themselves first in this situation.
But when it comes to Musk, the community is more amenable to looking at it from a business perspective. I have seen a sentiment of “tough shit, if you don’t like it then quit, he has no obligation to you.” There are many who call the engineers entitled or otherwise resent them for pursuing a strategy of “weather the storm until assured of some kind of severance and then immediately quit.”
Hackers are a community that rail against upper management for being out of touch and implementing stupid processes, but when it comes to Musk allegedly telling engineers to print their code on paper, some say “well that’s not too much effort, plus you’re being paid to do what management asks, so don’t whine about it.”
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#7Elon has a fascinating ability to make people look at things from his point of view. Suppose the story was something like “Jeff Bezos acquires company, immediately slashes workforce, maneuvers to avoid paying severance, reportedly forces engineers to work nights and weekends under threat of dismissal (and probably will lay them off anyway).” The tech community would be pretty united in saying the engineers would have…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_difference...
Hackers may have even more contempt for the slackers and sanctimonious activists currently at Twitter.
This is just like the far-left and the far-right aligning with Russia, because they loathe their immediate opposition so much.
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#8He's mentioned several times that him expecting his employees to work 10-12 hours a day is ok because he himself works 18+ hours. How does he expect to retain employees when other companies pay way more than Tesla does for way fewer work hours? Am I missing something?
All those companies have hiring freezes and layoffs going on at the moment
And Twitter doesn't?
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#9Elon has a fascinating ability to make people look at things from his point of view. Suppose the story was something like “Jeff Bezos acquires company, immediately slashes workforce, maneuvers to avoid paying severance, reportedly forces engineers to work nights and weekends under threat of dismissal (and probably will lay them off anyway).” The tech community would be pretty united in saying the engineers would have…
I think most people in the community recognize that Musk is a pretty abusive boss, and everyone really good is leaving the company. There are a few people who can't protect themselves from a predator, and those people will get relentlessly predated upon until they learn their lesson. It may well be fine: even Truth Social (mostly) works, and nobody thinks they're hiring the best engineers in the world.
I mean as long as nobody tries to hack or exploit Twitter, in which case things are gonna go very badly. Particularly since the people he's firing probably have root on a lot of boxes.
Re: Theory of what’s going to happen next at Twitter
#10Elon has a fascinating ability to make people look at things from his point of view. Suppose the story was something like “Jeff Bezos acquires company, immediately slashes workforce, maneuvers to avoid paying severance, reportedly forces engineers to work nights and weekends under threat of dismissal (and probably will lay them off anyway).” The tech community would be pretty united in saying the engineers would have…
> Elon has a fascinating ability to make people look at things from his point of view.
Honestly, he seems to have a very effective propaganda (i.e. "public relations") effort behind him. With unusual frequency, I'll see someone regurgitate some propagandistic talking point without any hint of irony (e.g. answering criticism of him with "Musk is literally saving humanity, what have you done?").
I don't know how much of that is from effort (e.g. astroturf) or just hitting the right nerve and getting people to work for him for free (e.g. very online nerds who believe in sci-fi, so put their faith in Musk personally because he constantly claims he'll make some their sci-fi dreams come true).