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Remote scan of student’s room before test violated his privacy, judge rules

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Re: Remote scan of student’s room before test violated his privacy, judge rules

#11

It is terrible, but what is the alternative to prevent cheating? I had quite a few on-line exams by now and I've seen very creative attempts at cheating so far.

Students and teachers have been cheating before pencil and paper. Do you ever wonder why some college students have near-perfect SAT scores yet can barely rub two English words together?

Re: Remote scan of student’s room before test violated his privacy, judge rules

#12

It is terrible, but what is the alternative to prevent cheating? I had quite a few on-line exams by now and I've seen very creative attempts at cheating so far.

No, it is not acceptable that we have to give up privacy for some stupid exam cheating problem. There are going to be lots of problems and inconveniences like this. We have a legacy of 250 years of constitutional protection of privacy.

Solve the fucking problem without violating privacy. If it doesn't get solved, fine, let it be. Accept those consequences and live with it.

Re: Remote scan of student’s room before test violated his privacy, judge rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've been able to take online classes for decades, why is this suddenly a problem? Moreover, if people want to cheat they can find some way to cheat regardless of any countermeasures you deploy.

>which [why?] is this suddenly a problem? Because most of teachers didn't teach online class before. They are not used to design exams that would not be way too easy it suddenly becomes open book. I won't even say they're "lazy", coming up good take-home exams is super hard, especially when you spend your entire career not need to do that. > if people want to cheat they can find some way to cheat regardless of any co…

Come on now, some of the college instructors weren't even teaching the offline classes. 200 students in a lecture hall and some random TA grading and assigning the tests. Do you honesty believe the TA knows each and ever student and that someone else didn't show up on exam day?!

Re: Remote scan of student’s room before test violated his privacy, judge rules

#14

It is terrible, but what is the alternative to prevent cheating? I had quite a few on-line exams by now and I've seen very creative attempts at cheating so far.

The best way to prevent cheating in an online test is to set a strict time limit. That way its harder for them to look up the answers on Google etc. The problem then is that a student may experience technical difficulties out of their control. For cases like that, students should be able to appeal for extra time.

Re: Remote scan of student’s room before test violated his privacy, judge rules

#16
We are definitely in the period where we are seeing the limits of scalability of current technology. Google et al. eliminated customer service, schools are educating on a massive scale, etc.

We always have the option of oral onsite exams as has been custom for many years, and accept that education does not scale excessively.

We can also keep developing surveillance tech and other AI solutions to the problem and handle the ethical issues.

In the end it will probably become a balance.

Re: Remote scan of student’s room before test violated his privacy, judge rules

#17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>which [why?] is this suddenly a problem? Because most of teachers didn't teach online class before. They are not used to design exams that would not be way too easy it suddenly becomes open book. I won't even say they're "lazy", coming up good take-home exams is super hard, especially when you spend your entire career not need to do that. > if people want to cheat they can find some way to cheat regardless of any co…

Come on now, some of the college instructors weren't even teaching the offline classes. 200 students in a lecture hall and some random TA grading and assigning the tests. Do you honesty believe the TA knows each and ever student and that someone else didn't show up on exam day?!

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Re: Remote scan of student’s room before test violated his privacy, judge rules

#18
As a mid-career engineer, I had to renew a professional certification during the Covid-19 times. That recertification was set up as a proctored online exam.

After 15 minutes of removing random stuff from my desk, under my desk, on my walls, including but not limited to disassembling a wall-mounted TV set, as instructed by the proctor, I gave up. I rented an office at a co-working place that was sterile white. Then they tried to accuse me of using camera-modifying software to add a background, because "no room is that clean".

If we do keep up this proctored test-at-home system, we need to have a workable way to make sure the testing room still works out as a living space after the test.

Re: Remote scan of student’s room before test violated his privacy, judge rules

#19

It is terrible, but what is the alternative to prevent cheating? I had quite a few on-line exams by now and I've seen very creative attempts at cheating so far.

Design better tests. If you can "cheat" on a test by just googling things/looking at notes then the test isn't testing anything but rote memorization anyway.

Re: Remote scan of student’s room before test violated his privacy, judge rules

#20

It is terrible, but what is the alternative to prevent cheating? I had quite a few on-line exams by now and I've seen very creative attempts at cheating so far.

Design better tests. If you can "cheat" on a test by just googling things/looking at notes then the test isn't testing anything but rote memorization anyway.

A math professor (granted easier with math) at university always said, you can bring anything you want to the exam, if you can answer it with help he made a mistake designing the test.

I see the same when I interview people online and I hear them frantically click their keyboard - but no help, I know before what Google returns.

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