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The AI Battle

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Re: The AI Battle

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post #8

Any bets on when the majority of software development is automated? My estimate based on the exponential improvement rate of AI on various tests like MMLU and MATH is within 3 years. I know that might sound crazy, but a year ago it would have been crazy to think that graphics design jobs could be automated by an AI in 2022. Feel free to disagree and discuss why.

> Any bets on when the majority of software development is automated? My estimate based on the exponential improvement rate of AI on various tests like MMLU and MATH is within 3 years.

An AI solution will always target bang for buck first. So _potentially_ web development or CRUD apps have the greatest probability to be automated.

Nevertheless there is a whole zoo under 'software development'. Bio informatics application, Fast trading software, medical ventilators, hardware debugging with software interfacing with real-world sensors, etc., etc.

Even if your scenario comes true there will be so much 'domain-specific' knowledge that you would still need some sort of 'Business/requirement analyst + Architect' to be able to steer AI agents into any meaningful product.

Maybe the future of Software is not in the writing but in the Designing for the specific domain. Which come to think of it is not that bad of a job and probably not that far off from what a Principal/Staff Engineer is doing nowadays.

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This very much requires acceptance of the worse-is-better model. That "beautiful" drawing of an an astronaut riding a horse is aesthetically... crap. It may take a person 5 hours to paint or draw that, but, arguably, a person wouldn't. GPT-3 might generate a novel, but, generally speaking the prose is jarring and awful to read, because there is no intent (danger: philosophically loaded word) behind it. It's all autom…

I like the way you are thinking and if you are talking about the snapshot of today, that is spot on. However, these models are getting better exponentially. See the improvement from GPT-3 just 2 years ago on this benchmark: https://paperswithcode.com/sota/multi-task-language-understa....

I hope I am wrong so that society has more time to adapt to the worker displacement and downstream policy issues.

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AI that can do creative work is scary for its implications on humanity. Are we at best biological AI's ?

I've played around with several of them. These artwork AI's are way more scary than GPT-3 et al because they seem to do something so creative with such good visible results.

I don't think the genie goes back in the bottle. I think humanity has an existential crisis on its hands.

Whats the point in doing things if the AI can do it better than you ? Do those things become relegated to some increasing unpopular niche ?

I just have increasingly amounts of questions and fear.

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Dark times ahead.

If you haven’t already made it big with crypto or startups, you are toast and will be trapped in the permanent UBI underclass. That assumes that there will be a UBI at all. Combined with inflation this will mean that only those with $5 million or more in the bank will live what still count as middle class lifestyles. Those with less money will be forced into poverty. Many will adopt petty crime for survival.

I predict mass unrest, beginning in the global south and spreading to the global north. The anti-racist protests of 2020, the farmer protests in India and Europe, and the Sri Lankan anti-corruption protests all show how this will play out. The state may be forced to accept the demands of the protesters.

Only an AI security system could let the state win, again showing how very important the AI advantage is.

The resulting political turmoil may be exploitable for AI alignment purposes. Those of us who are concerned with AI alignment and automation must ally with whichever political faction wins the fight.

That will be our last chance to implement UBI, make AI alignment mandatory and buy a few more decades for humanity.

I hate AI so much, man.

Re: The AI Battle

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This very much requires acceptance of the worse-is-better model. That "beautiful" drawing of an an astronaut riding a horse is aesthetically... crap. It may take a person 5 hours to paint or draw that, but, arguably, a person wouldn't. GPT-3 might generate a novel, but, generally speaking the prose is jarring and awful to read, because there is no intent (danger: philosophically loaded word) behind it. It's all autom…

This is the classic (and flawed) "it's gotta be perfect otherwise it's useless" argument that you see in other AI fields, such as self-driving.

You don't have to be anywhere near perfect to cause tremendous disruption. "Polyester" grade artwork will be perfectly acceptable for a lot of use cases.

Just like how self-driving will decimate the trucking workforce, all while people continue to screech about how "it can't handle snow therefore it's useless".

Re: The AI Battle

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Dark times ahead. If you haven’t already made it big with crypto or startups, you are toast and will be trapped in the permanent UBI underclass. That assumes that there will be a UBI at all. Combined with inflation this will mean that only those with $5 million or more in the bank will live what still count as middle class lifestyles. Those with less money will be forced into poverty. Many will adopt petty crime for…

I do believe AI alignment and safety is a huge concern, and unfortunately thinks are moving so fast there is not enough time for society to adapt.

However, if we can safeguard that I am very optimistic about what a sufficiently advanced AI (we don't even need AGI) can do to help with climate change, medical advances, etc. Costs of goods will plummet as things become more abundant.

The question is which path are we on, the utopia or dystopia, or somewhere in between?

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I think the article is overly sensationalist. But I think the gist is totally realistic. For example, there's a huge chunk of design work that's not super critical and often badly done. I can imagine a simple, AI-assited tool that creates posters, simple websites or flyers in the companies style. But it won't replace graphics designers yet and won't be for some time. I think we are not yet completely ready to create even a simple tool, there are still engineering-challenges to overcome (I am not sure how the technical interface to the ML-would look like, I can't imagine text is enough), but I think we might be very close to have at least something resembling a product.

I know a thing or two about machine learning...and one thing I've learned is that it's very hard to predict the future, even the immediate future. Some problems turn out to be surprisingly easy, but other we just can't solve yet, even super basic things like learning multiple tasks in a sequential but unknown manner without forgetting stuff. I find it hard to predict what ML will look like in three years, except that dalle-3 will be much better. If we have a breakthrough on one of those fundamental problems where we struggle with the basics, then we will open new possibilities quite quickly I think. But it als might be that they require new approaches that will take years or decades to develop.

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post #3

If we don't implement universal basic income, we are utterly screwed. Markets where one side is desperate are inelastic, which means that a small change in supply or demand can cause huge price swings. Usually, this works against those who are out of power; for example, oil producers can cause price spikes if they can hold a cartel together. The job market is also extremely inelastic. We might only see 10 or 20 perce…

I don't think Basic Income will save anything. I think its very likely creativity and consciousness are probably tied together.

We might be very well on the way to making humans beings as a whole obsolete. Non-expert Human Labor has been devalued by robotic automation, and now Human minds might be devalued by AI's.

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The "AI battle" only rages for those who don't make AI; those that write AI know that battle is lost, we will not have an AGI in our lifetimes. We lack fundamental components, such as artificial comprehension. Lacking any form of comprehension, weak or not, all AI technology can ever produce is idiot savants and personality theater. It is not capable of writing original software, beyond the use of pre-composable components, because lacking comprehension it is not writing anything. At the most it can predict given a lot of examples of similar, but it still does not comprehend its own predictions.

AI is a tool for creative people to use, it cannot replace them, unless you want a really boring product, because by design AI rehashes and recombines, it does not have a create capability in its capacity. To create requires comprehension, and lacking comprehension it is just mimicry.

Re: The AI Battle

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This very much requires acceptance of the worse-is-better model. That "beautiful" drawing of an an astronaut riding a horse is aesthetically... crap. It may take a person 5 hours to paint or draw that, but, arguably, a person wouldn't. GPT-3 might generate a novel, but, generally speaking the prose is jarring and awful to read, because there is no intent (danger: philosophically loaded word) behind it. It's all autom…

I agree that the horse picture sucks. Other people might say that they like Dall-E’s output on Twitter, for signalling purposes, but I still think they don’t really believe that.

Still, it’s only a matter of time till nicer graphics are possible. Most graphic designers and artists are still worse than this thing, especially the type that bought a $200 drawing tablet on Amazon and sell their services on Fiverr. Those people are no better than Dall-E, just like most copywriters are no better than GPT-3.

Even if they are in fact better it’s only a few years till that changes. Deepmind can train a new model faster than you can go back to grad school.

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