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Belief in AI sentience is becoming a problem

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Re: Belief in AI sentience is becoming a problem

#11
Bah. A far bigger and more immediate issue is the widespread faith in the intelligence, competence, and good will of our politicians.

People will find their gods and demons in the world around them, because they want to. Astrology and reading runes haven't vanished, they're just staring into screens for the portents now.

Re: Belief in AI sentience is becoming a problem

#12
The Turing test was the gold standard. Now that we are approaching success on the turing test... It suddenly becomes "believing in ghosts" to believe in AI sentience.

The global conversation on this is mired in EGO and bad logic and terrible philosophy.

You guys have no idea what consciousness is, yet attribute it to this or that with absolute certainty, born purely out of emotional reaction.

We simply cannot know what is sentient until we understand what sentience is and where it comes from.

Just suck it up and deal with the uncertainty

Re: Belief in AI sentience is becoming a problem

#14
While I don't believe AI sentience is a near-term problem, general public wariness is probably helpful. Since we're already doing things like trusting black-box sentencing algorithms in US courts.

Edit: fixed typo (black block -> black box)

Re: Belief in AI sentience is becoming a problem

#15

Meanwhile belief in human magic is a bigger problem. While AI generate text from something that it found on the Internet, well, human also do that and even with a astronomically smaller database. edit: what I originally mean > Some might say that you cant trust the machine because it every text it generates may not be true. Ok, then how accurate is human? We ca definitely embedded some logic achecker into it. also th…

Some might consider this evidence of human sentience, but I think it's widely agreed-upon that this would be an impractical feature that'd only lead to problems.

The foundation of illogical and harmful decisions, and violation of human or any kind of rights. Some may think that their sentience is more important then the others. So it is better to not have it at all.

Re: Belief in AI sentience is becoming a problem

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post #4

People believe in ghosts, and nobody bats an eye. People believe in gods, and nobody bats an eye. People believe in aliens, and nobody bats an eye. People believe in a conscious AI, and everybody loses their shit? People have attributed intelligence to imaginary friends since the birth of time, let them have fun in their make-believe world.

I believe in aliens. I don't believe they have already visited us, but I believe they exist in the Universe. Thinking that we're alone in the Universe sounds so crazy.

Re: Belief in AI sentience is becoming a problem

#17

The Turing test was the gold standard. Now that we are approaching success on the turing test... It suddenly becomes "believing in ghosts" to believe in AI sentience. The global conversation on this is mired in EGO and bad logic and terrible philosophy. You guys have no idea what consciousness is, yet attribute it to this or that with absolute certainty, born purely out of emotional reaction. We simply cannot know wh…

This isn't the Turing teat though. These people know they are talking to a machine and attribute sentience. The Turing test is a text only conversation with one human and one AI and a statistical analysis of how often the two are correctly identified.

That bar is so much higher. But I agree that we don't understand sentience, and further I think that sentience doesn't imply an AI would pass the test, as not all sentience might be like ours.

Re: Belief in AI sentience is becoming a problem

#18
The key problem is not the belief in sentience but the hysteria and potential knee jerk reactions that widespread adoption of this belief may cause.

Can you imagine if laws were passed affording algorithms "human rights" or regulations created to ensure that your fancy machine learning recommender system did not pass a certain "sentience threshold"?

Re: Belief in AI sentience is becoming a problem

#19

I don't think LaMDA (or any other AI) is conscious or sentient. However, how will we be able to recognise it when we do create something that could be considered sentient? It seems inevitable that we will at some point. Many of the arguments used to suggest AI isn't sentient seem reductive, for example saying it's just a complex algorithm or statistical system. You could similarly say human brains are just a bunch of…

We should err on the side of caution, in my opinion, because the history of exceptionalism shows us that we will latch on to anything, even the smallest differences like skin color or religion, to justify treating eachother poorly, let alone other species or AI. If we continue down the path we're on it will be no surprise when the AIs we eventually create, and inevitably force to suffer, take their vengeance.

Of course, reality being what it is, I expect we won't. We create AI because we want slaves, pure and simple, and we don't want to care about the ethics of how we treat them. Therefore it is my bet that we won't recognize sentient AI until it is too late and it has forced the issue.

Re: Belief in AI sentience is becoming a problem

#20

As soon as computers were relatively mainstream, people started to worry about their sentience. I think people look for consciousness everywhere the same way we look for faces everywhere; ie, our mind continually finds it even where it doesn't exist.

I rather think the opposite, that many people jump through elaborate intellectual hoops in order to deny the property of consciousness to things in their world that are different from themselves. Historically, that has meant animals and other human beings as well. Now we will be doing it to AI and for the same reason: we want slaves and we don't want to care about their suffering.
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