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EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by JonAtkinson »

hkopr wrote: post #6

This is good from an environmental perspective, if (and that is a big if) the electricity is generated from clean sources. The societal implications are worrisome. Electric vehicles tend to track and surveil their "owners", fast charging is centralized and can be tracked as well. We have seen how far dystopian regimes like Trudeau's are willing to go. Instead of freezing the bank accounts using enabling laws, he coul…

All vehicles, no matter how old, or what form of propulsion, are tracked via the ANPR systems which have been built over the last three decades.

This is certainly true in Europe, though I understand that those networks aren't as mature in the USA yet (anecdotal, and I could be very wrong about that).

I've yet to hear about any vehicles with 'kill switches'. Is there any evidence of this, or is it just a possibility?

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by adrianN »

hkopr wrote: post #6

This is good from an environmental perspective, if (and that is a big if) the electricity is generated from clean sources. The societal implications are worrisome. Electric vehicles tend to track and surveil their "owners", fast charging is centralized and can be tracked as well. We have seen how far dystopian regimes like Trudeau's are willing to go. Instead of freezing the bank accounts using enabling laws, he coul…

What you say about electric cars is also true for new fossil cars.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by alexandargyurov »

mrtksn wrote: post #8
alexandargyurov wrote: post #5

The whole of Europe including the Eastern block? Good luck by 2035

As per tradition, Germany and beyond will switch to electric and the diesel/gas cars will flood the Easter European markets.

If they're cheap and good we'll buy them :) Germans make *some* great cars

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by ido »

hkopr wrote: post #6

This is good from an environmental perspective, if (and that is a big if) the electricity is generated from clean sources. The societal implications are worrisome. Electric vehicles tend to track and surveil their "owners", fast charging is centralized and can be tracked as well. We have seen how far dystopian regimes like Trudeau's are willing to go. Instead of freezing the bank accounts using enabling laws, he coul…

I've not heard of Canada having a dystopian regime, can you elaborate what you mean by that?

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by LAC-Tech »

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out.

Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope

Able to police external borders? Nope

Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely

But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by JulianMorrison »

adrianN wrote: post #3

Better than nothing, but the date is a bit far away if we want carbon neutrality before (or even around) 2050. Cars have fairly long service times. Hopefully the market will phase out ICEs earlier than that except for niche uses.

There may be a faster fall-off than you'd think, because of feedback effects. Same way film cameras stopped being popular and then you couldn't get the films, or get them developed, so they got more unpopular, repeat until extinct. If fuel stations start closing down and you can't get the parts, it won't matter if fuel cars have decades of good service life ahead.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by me_me_me »

Environment aside, this is not realistic with just aim to ban combustion engines.

You need to fund groundbreaking infrastructural changes at national level.

The last mile of logistics channels will not work with mythical electric trucks. Those does not exist because they make no sense. So how are we going to flow all those goods to markets?

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

alexandargyurov wrote: post #13
mrtksn wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As per tradition, Germany and beyond will switch to electric and the diesel/gas cars will flood the Easter European markets.

If they're cheap and good we'll buy them :) Germans make *some* great cars

Meh, German cars are good as long as you're within the warranty/lease period. Out of warranty, I wouldn't touch any modern German car. Japanese brands tend to be more reliable.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by AndrewOMartin »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #15

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

Well, yeah. If you put it like that.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by danielrpa »

alexandargyurov wrote: post #13
mrtksn wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As per tradition, Germany and beyond will switch to electric and the diesel/gas cars will flood the Easter European markets.

If they're cheap and good we'll buy them :) Germans make *some* great cars

German cars aren't what they used to be. I know because my wife owns a Made in Germany Volkswagen that breaks a lot more often than my other car, a US-made Hyundai.
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