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Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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So now we are beyond "praise a company if they shut their business in Russia", and have arrived at "ostracize them if they don't", even though (afaik) they haven't been ordered to censor their content or otherwise be a mouthpiece for them?

Is there an extreme to this or is it all going to pass public judgement?

Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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post #9

Russia is known to murder dissidents. For Spotify leaders to make a stand from the safety of the US and paint a target on the backs of their Russian employees would be the cowardly option. If the employees their want to choose on their own to take a stand that's up to them, but it's not a choice that Spotify should make for them.

Your point of view might have some merit to it if there a basis in fact. Do you dispute the author's claim "On Wednesday night [March 2], Spotify announced that it is closing its Moscow office"?

Do you think Putin is going to care that Spotify closed the office if they're defying his censorship laws? The (former) employees are still going to be in Russia. They're still going to be associated with Spotify and subject to arrest. This not a normal legal system where you can prove to someone in a court that you no longer worked at the company and they're going to consider the merits of your argument. Putin will want to punish someone for Spotify defying his censorship order and he'll reach out and punish whoever is available to make an example, regardless of whether they are responsible.

Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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This doesn’t seem any more cowardly than YouTube’s decision to ban RT. Hard to claim to be on the side of free speech when American tech companies are censoring right and left.

RT propaganda is an organic part, a psyop, of the genocidal war in Ukraine. There is nothing about free speech in refusal to support genocidal war. If anything it is a duty of any normal person (and any company consisting of such people).

Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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There is nothing bold about halting trade with Russia right now; as far as can be told there is a great deal of social and political support for anyone making such a choice.

To be honest, companies making emotional decisions is more concerning to me. It is reasonable and to be encouraged if businesses want to be a moral-less dumb pipe. Spotify is not equipped to make geopolitical judgements about what is and isn't a just war or propaganda & can achieve nothing against the Russian military. If they just stick to following the law that is fine. If something is required of them then the military leadership can ask them to do it.

Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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> Spotify had opened a representative office in Moscow. [...] Why? Seemingly just to get a bit closer to the treasuries of the region’s greatest kleptocrats. or maybe it's easier to hire talent in Moscow (a metropolis of 17M) than Kyiv (3M), sheesh

It's common to open local offices for ad sales.

Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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post #6

> Spotify had opened a representative office in Moscow. [...] Why? Seemingly just to get a bit closer to the treasuries of the region’s greatest kleptocrats. or maybe it's easier to hire talent in Moscow (a metropolis of 17M) than Kyiv (3M), sheesh

Why write such a dismissive comment when that’s not the point at all?

It captured the tone of the article to me, reading in too deep to motivations of a publically traded company where there might be easily explained, boring, financial incentives. Don't know why anyone expects a corporation to take the moral high ground.

Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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>Then it would maybe just be a matter of time until they also closed down access to Spotify in Russia. But it would at least be a statement, saving the face of Daniel Ek.

Okay, so the author's idea of bravery is to pull a meaningless PR stunt that does nothing for Russians but instead saves the face of the company's CEO in the eyes of anglosphere online bloggers? For once an actual instance of behavior where the overused 'virtue signaling' phrase makes sense.

The smart move for companies is to comply with these laws to a superficial extent while silently keeping as much dissident content online as possible and staying off the radar of regulators.

Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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IDK... I think the right thing to do isn't entirely obvious.

>> a better alternative would have been to keep operating, while declaring openly that their media machine will be available for the dissidents in Russia

>> At an absolute minimum, Spotify could have let its Russian users face recommended playlists on the theme of “peace”.

I remember when Google initially came into conflict with China's censorship. The government wanted them to conform to the chinese way, censoring bad content on their own initiative without receiving an explicit list. A particular bugbear was returning search results that link to sites blocked by the great firewall. ATT, Google's "don't be evil" was still standing as a slogan. Early 2000s internet naivety still had some punch. China's attempt to censor the internet seemed foolish and doomed.

Anyway Google eventually tucked tail and learned that they cannot conflict with the CCP and come away with a win.

A decade later and we're knee deep in a clunky, controversial and blunt anti-misinformation vs free speech balance. Try that in a war zone.

Realistically, I think companies have two choices... more or less. They can stay or they can go. Multinational companies are not emissaries of anything but economics. We shouldn't expect them to be independent participants in international conflicts.

Luckily, Spotify's podcast strategy has not succeeded yet. Most podcasts are still distributed as podcasts, via RSS. They're one of the most free forms of online media. Spotify is trying to build a walled garden around this last piece of wilderness. The best thing spotify can do to enable free media in wartime is to just go away.

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