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Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shame so many people think it is a customer’s job to pay anything more than what they are asked to pay.

I find it hilarious how Americans think restaurant/bar staff is almost exclusively entitled to getting more money than what they signed up for, courtesy of the customer. Do you give other minimal wage workers tips? Cashiers, cleaners, random shop staff? If not then shut up.

Restaurant staff make significantly less than minimum wage.

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Excellent article. Shame so many wealthy people are cheap on tips. Always round up on the tip - the people relying on them need that extra $1-5 dollars more than you do. And if you can't afford those extra few dollars than what are you doing going out in the first place?

> Shame so many wealthy people are cheap on tips.

Tips should be reserved for exceptional service. People should be ashamed of going to restaurants that don't openly advertise "we pay a fair living wage, tips not necessary".

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Excellent article. Shame so many wealthy people are cheap on tips. Always round up on the tip - the people relying on them need that extra $1-5 dollars more than you do. And if you can't afford those extra few dollars than what are you doing going out in the first place?

Um, way to be incredibly classist. "If you can't afford to support someone else, why are you treating yourself to a luxury of any kind?" Everyone needs luxuries sometimes. The solution to tipped employees not getting enough money is not to bully people who can't comfortably afford higher tips out of going out; it's to a) encourage unionization, b) eliminate the separate "tipped minimum wage", and c) raise the minimum…

It is interesting to think about the various ways tips are used:

1. User feedback: customer quality perception

2. Variable pricing: if customer can pay more, they do; customers without as much are not turned away

3. Untaxed earnings: tax authorities set a theoretical floor, but undocumented cash is difficult to substantiate

Are there others?

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it hilarious how Americans think restaurant/bar staff is almost exclusively entitled to getting more money than what they signed up for, courtesy of the customer. Do you give other minimal wage workers tips? Cashiers, cleaners, random shop staff? If not then shut up.

Restaurant staff make significantly less than minimum wage.

Not in CA/OR/WA/NYC/DC. Also, the federal minimum wage is not lower than anyone else’s, assuming they want to report their employer for not following the law.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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Welcome to the terrible world of tipping. Subsidize the wages so the employer doesn't have to. I got out of my way to avoid any type of business or service that has tipping. It's getting so bad out there I've seen people talk about getting asked for a tip in a drive thru. Do I tip when I eat out? Yes. But that's cut down to a minimum now. I think we're headed towards a breaking point. Profits and cost of living cannot continue to skyrocket while pay stagnates.

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it hilarious how Americans think restaurant/bar staff is almost exclusively entitled to getting more money than what they signed up for, courtesy of the customer. Do you give other minimal wage workers tips? Cashiers, cleaners, random shop staff? If not then shut up.

Restaurant staff make significantly less than minimum wage.

No, they don't. If their tips don't put them over minimum wage their employer is required to make up the difference. They usually make well over minimum wage factoring in "tax free" cash tips.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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Excellent article. Shame so many wealthy people are cheap on tips. Always round up on the tip - the people relying on them need that extra $1-5 dollars more than you do. And if you can't afford those extra few dollars than what are you doing going out in the first place?

Um, way to be incredibly classist. "If you can't afford to support someone else, why are you treating yourself to a luxury of any kind?" Everyone needs luxuries sometimes. The solution to tipped employees not getting enough money is not to bully people who can't comfortably afford higher tips out of going out; it's to a) encourage unionization, b) eliminate the separate "tipped minimum wage", and c) raise the minimum…

What's sort of funny is the concern about tipped workers is also classist. Tipped workers in restaurants do pretty well, at least in contrast to their hourly counterparts in the back of the house. College educated people often take front of house jobs during college so they empathize with the front of house workers, but the front of house makes considerably more than the back and has far better working conditions. Stand in a 100+ degree kitchen for 12 hours, burning and cutting yourself daily and tell me that the waitstaff have it bad with a straight face, especially after you learn they are taking home twice what you are and that's before factoring in the rampant wage theft in the restaurant industry.

If you had a really good experience and you want to show your appreciation, go in back and tip the cooks.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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Am I reading the author right that he’s expecting people to tip on the movie ticket portion of their check?

If so, I’m not at all surprised to he ended up disappointed when people didn’t do that. It would never occur to me to do that, before or after reading the article.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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I am always baffled when I read about the tip culture in the states. I find it so belittling for workers. It seems to incentivize a mentality of "the customer is always right", with workers putting an extra effort to always smile and be nice in the hope for a fair tip.

It is belittling, and almost nobody except restaurant owners likes it. It's sort of a game theory problem - if we could coordinate everyone to stop tipping, then restaurants would be forced to pay their workers normal wages, and almost everyone would be better off. But if I stop tipping, I'm just an asshole making no impact on society.

I guess the only practical approach is to simultaneously keep tipping and push for your city/state/country to eliminate the tipped minimum wage loophole.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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> Places like this rely on high school students for jobs like working the counter and delivering food. This sentence should be amended to “Places like this rely on people to accept low wages and low quality of life at work”. The whole article can basically be cut down to that sentence.

For what it's worth, the usual "high school jobs" are not a problem when done by actual high schoolers as side gig to fund phone, beer, weed and gas. They don't need to pay rent, food or health insurance so what would be a non-living wage for an adult is luxury money for high schoolers. The problem is when actual adults who have to take care of adult things (rent, food, health insurance, car payments, ...) have to re…

That is true for some high schoolers but many others are making meaningful contributions to their family’s income and/or saving for college. There’s really no excuse to not pay them a living wage as well.
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