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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by watwut » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 6:59 AM UTC

etchalon wrote: post #5

throwawayboise wrote: post #4

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High schoolers do not need daycare; they also do not need parents to dress them and get them to school. They should be able to manage those things on their own, and take care of themselves for a few unsupervised hours a day.

There are a lot of high schoolers who do not live within walking distance of their school, or who aren't safe walking to their school. Buses are unreliable, easy to miss, and public transportation can be expensive. It's a whole thing.

Sounds like quality of public transport problem. Also, high schoolers are fully competent not to miss busses.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by kristopolous » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 7:05 AM UTC

silisili wrote: post #2

And led to a huge retardation (in the literal sense) of learning. My kid was way more active and alert, but the schools weren't prepared for this and they basically just read books together; she's way behind in math still. That all said, school hours were set mostly because public schools double as a daycare. I don't know many people who drive in at 7am anymore, it's definitely time to reset expectations here.

So what about enrichment activities such as sports or clubs? Would you timeshift them to mornings if we're starting at 10?

Continuing to tack them on to the end of the day would not only cut into traditional family time in the evening and but you'd also run out of daylight which for things like cross-country wouldn't work.

I would have liked to have slept in too, but I wouldn't want to at the expense of killing football and drama club.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by Extropy_ » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 7:07 AM UTC

I was in Grade 7 the first time they closed schools here in Ontario. I certainly didn't get enough sleep, usually around five or six, maybe seven hours at most. The second time around was even worse. I didn't do work, I didn't go outside, all I did was mess about on my computer. In general, it was- and is- a horribly unhealthy experience for me, both mentally and physically. Although, I still struggle with this "remote learning", I've matured enough to get by. Now I'm in Grade 9, and, sure enough, we're at it again.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by andi999 » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 7:11 AM UTC

poulsbohemian wrote: post #8

In spite of national and state level legislation aimed to standardize schooling, the reality is that education tends to be a local product. That is - I’ve heard bad stories from parents in parts of the country and world, but locally our kids really didn’t experience much negative. Our superintendent ordered chromebooks and hot spots for the district in December 2019 (!!!) because he was so afraid of what was coming.…

I think your superintendent ordering chromebooks in dez 2019 is great, but how did he know. Basically the first whistle blowing was on 30.12.19 : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by laurent92 » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 7:17 AM UTC

Extropy_ wrote: post #13

I was in Grade 7 the first time they closed schools here in Ontario. I certainly didn't get enough sleep, usually around five or six, maybe seven hours at most. The second time around was even worse. I didn't do work, I didn't go outside, all I did was mess about on my computer. In general, it was- and is- a horribly unhealthy experience for me, both mentally and physically. Although, I still struggle with this "remo…

Thinking that lockdowns are a solution to anything, including a pandemic, was a neat way to drive many people insane. I won’t tell my personal… happenings… but I double on your difficulty.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by silisili » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 7:21 AM UTC

kristopolous wrote: post #12

silisili wrote: post #2

And led to a huge retardation (in the literal sense) of learning. My kid was way more active and alert, but the schools weren't prepared for this and they basically just read books together; she's way behind in math still. That all said, school hours were set mostly because public schools double as a daycare. I don't know many people who drive in at 7am anymore, it's definitely time to reset expectations here.

So what about enrichment activities such as sports or clubs? Would you timeshift them to mornings if we're starting at 10? Continuing to tack them on to the end of the day would not only cut into traditional family time in the evening and but you'd also run out of daylight which for things like cross-country wouldn't work. I would have liked to have slept in too, but I wouldn't want to at the expense of killing footb…

Nah. There was a lot of nothing time in school. Make core hours like 930 to 230, and keep the extra curriculars at the end of the day.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by silisili » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 7:23 AM UTC

katbyte wrote: post #7

silisili wrote: post #6

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I'm in complete agreement, but 13 year olds cannot secure their own transportation. Most school districts I've lived in seem designed to ensure parents drive their kids to school. As an example, my current district won't offer a bus unless you live more than 3 miles away. 3 miles is a giant distant to walk every morning. Luckily, we live about a half mile away and she bikes to school. I wouldn't let her bike 3 miles,…

that is a failing of the school district not the parent...

True. If anything it's a failing of civil engineering though, I guess. My area is nothing but subdivisions connected by high speed hiways.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by another_story » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 7:36 AM UTC

dukeofdoom wrote: post #9

I noticed kids playing outside more in parks. But also, think of the benefit of missing out on hours and hours of preaching from their teachers. They can just research things on the internet now. And come to their own conclusions.

I think a huge part of the problem with the American education system is exemplified right here with belittling the role of teachers.

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Post by aaomidi » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 7:39 AM UTC

silisili wrote: post #2

And led to a huge retardation (in the literal sense) of learning. My kid was way more active and alert, but the schools weren't prepared for this and they basically just read books together; she's way behind in math still. That all said, school hours were set mostly because public schools double as a daycare. I don't know many people who drive in at 7am anymore, it's definitely time to reset expectations here.

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 7:44 AM UTC

aaomidi wrote: post #19

silisili wrote: post #2

And led to a huge retardation (in the literal sense) of learning. My kid was way more active and alert, but the schools weren't prepared for this and they basically just read books together; she's way behind in math still. That all said, school hours were set mostly because public schools double as a daycare. I don't know many people who drive in at 7am anymore, it's definitely time to reset expectations here.

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