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Re: Lone Yelp review dogs business owner

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post #8

Earlier this summer, a Yelp salesman called Brader's house to ask if he wanted to advertise on the Yelp site. Yelp will never make it as a public company, which means that it should technically fizzle and die sooner rather than later. What they do isn't illegal, but it should be; its revenue model is unethical, sleazy, blackmailing, extortion.

Making it as a public company is not mutually exclusive from being sleazy.

Re: Lone Yelp review dogs business owner

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Extortion. This is the racket of the 21st Century. Once you got the eyeballs, you call every business in your database and threaten to cut its legs out from under it unless it pays up. Google's running more or less the same racket. It's "soft"...there are no threats, exactly. But imagine if the Chicago Tribune called vendors and threatened to run a miserable review of them if they didn't pay?

So why hasn't that happened? Because of libel laws, for one thing. RICO for another. Best answer would be a class action to subpoena Yelp for the IP & personal info of the posters of questionable negative reviews that had survived the removal of legitimate positive reviews, and file a lawsuit against the authors and Yelp for libel. A few thousand of those and they'll be pushed back into their corner.

2+2 Poker Forum has been doing this in the online casino industry for awhile... but they're real criminals anyway: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/poker-complaints/45662-2...

Re: Lone Yelp review dogs business owner

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The problem Yelp has is that they don't allow unfiltered reviews to be contested. So even if Brader or his customers wanted to contact Yelp and say "Hey, our reviews aren't spam or for gaming the system" and explain what happened, there's no easy/official way to do it.

The one and only time I wrote a review on Yelp, I gave a restaurant a one star rating because the customer service was truly terrible and I left with a horrible taste in my mouth (figuratively). The review wasn't riddled with spelling/grammatical errors and it extremely close to the word limit Yelp has in place. Anyone reading it could tell it wasn't a fake review. Heck, in the few days the review was up, it got voted up to most useful review. But I got hit by the filter anyways. I suspect the algorithm really is flawed and not being manipulated like some people claim, but maybe I'm an optimist.

Re: Lone Yelp review dogs business owner

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The article could have revealed that of the 18 "hidden" reviews, 14 were the only review by the Yelper and 11 were in a one week period. These are two of the main criteria for Yelp's filtering.

I'm surprised people believe that Yelp would be so clumsy and unethical to simply penalize non-advertisers.

Re: Lone Yelp review dogs business owner

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post #15

The problem Yelp has is that they don't allow unfiltered reviews to be contested. So even if Brader or his customers wanted to contact Yelp and say "Hey, our reviews aren't spam or for gaming the system" and explain what happened, there's no easy/official way to do it. The one and only time I wrote a review on Yelp, I gave a restaurant a one star rating because the customer service was truly terrible and I left with…

You're probably right. Seems mostly a case of.. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Mix in a bit of "lazy" and you've got yourself a situation that sucks for the small people unable to fix the big system.

Re: Lone Yelp review dogs business owner

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How can a computer evaluate the 'realness' of a review? The idea of Yelp, crowdsourced business reviews, is great, but do we really prefer trusting super active web content contributors, seeking cyberspace attention, over experts (eg Zagats)?

From the perspective of a web searcher, a SERP with reviews for four [Buffalo Grove dentists] written by amateurs beats a SERP with zero reviews written by experts.

From the perspective of a large advertising firm, consistently replicating that at scale gives you a lot more inventory to sell.

One could say something similar regarding content farms and big daddy G.

Re: Lone Yelp review dogs business owner

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post #8

Earlier this summer, a Yelp salesman called Brader's house to ask if he wanted to advertise on the Yelp site. Yelp will never make it as a public company, which means that it should technically fizzle and die sooner rather than later. What they do isn't illegal, but it should be; its revenue model is unethical, sleazy, blackmailing, extortion.

Those are some pretty bold accusations based on rather thin evidence. Are you suggesting that such a service is incapable of running above-board? Is there anything Yelp could do to prove to you that it is operating in an ethical and reasonable manner?

Re: Lone Yelp review dogs business owner

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Its SEO'ers....

A competitor of the dog training business hires an SEO Search Engine Optimiser to increase his business. To do that they post negative reviews of all the competitors. They post fake positive reviews of their client.

I have tracked this down before. The positive reviews all looked suspiciously similar and over-glowing. I have seen the same review, the same day, by the same guy, in multiple nearby neighborhoods.

This also can happen when an SEO marketer calls and you turn him down. He then spites your site and calls back again later to see if your more agreeable....

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