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Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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Post by giantg2 »

jrmg wrote: post #10
giantg2 wrote: post #2

Maybe Emetrol is placebo, but it has worked for me in the past on a couple of occasions. This included 8 hours of vomiting no mater how hard I willed it to stop or other remedies I tried, and it didn't work on the first dose. It didn't seem like placebo to me, but I am grateful it worked either way. One thing to note that isn't in the article, is that concentration can matter, so comparing one can to a 30ml dose of m…

This included 8 hours of vomiting no mater how hard I willed it to stop or other remedies I tried, and it didn't work on the first dose It seems very plausible that after 8 hours vomiting would stop without intervention.

Why? One could say that about any duration, right?

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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Post by jrmg »

giantg2 wrote: post #11
jrmg wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This included 8 hours of vomiting no mater how hard I willed it to stop or other remedies I tried, and it didn't work on the first dose It seems very plausible that after 8 hours vomiting would stop without intervention.

Why? One could say that about any duration, right?

Totally. And it would be more probable as time goes on, since you couldn’t really go on vomiting for ever (unless the illness was way more serious!)

8 hours seems pretty ‘normal’ from the few times I’ve been ill like this though - would basically feel like ‘most of a day’ or ‘most of a night’.

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

You can use Coca Cola for jail breaks: see this article about a recent jail break in Israel, where the inmates used cola to get through eight inches of concrete floors. So much for the acids that they put into this 'soft drink'... https://www.timesofisrael.com/captured-fugitives-from-gilboa...

https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3222116/palestinian-...

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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Post by ncmncm »

There is nothing harmless about liquid fructose, or liquid sugar (which is half fructose).

The people who know the most about fructose blame it for the huge public health crisis that the US (and UK, Pakistan, India, and some other countries) are suffering, manifested as insulin resistance and type #2 diabetes, "metabolic syndrome". It kills way more than COVID.

Specifically: fructose is mostly processed only by the liver. (The liver's main job is neutralizing toxins.) Excess fructose is processed on the same metabolic pathways as alcohol, a major toxin. Large amounts of fructose are turned into fat and stored in the liver, like alcohol, and generate uric acid, which causes gout and numerous other problems, like alcohol. (Your kidneys work to try to clear uric acid, but the spikes are harmful.) Today, American children are getting cirrhosis, like alcoholics.

Taken with enough fiber, fructose absorption is delayed long enough that gut bacteria get most of it, instead, where it causes them no problem. Fruits have fructose and fiber, but juice and soda have no fiber. Fructose without enough fiber is slow poison.

A good place to start learning about fructose metabolism is Robert Lustig vids on youtube. (I watch them at 1.5x-2x speed with subtitles, to save time.) Or read his books. Lustig is a respected endocrinologist.

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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Post by philipkglass »

ncmncm wrote: post #15

There is nothing harmless about liquid fructose, or liquid sugar (which is half fructose). The people who know the most about fructose blame it for the huge public health crisis that the US (and UK, Pakistan, India, and some other countries) are suffering, manifested as insulin resistance and type #2 diabetes, "metabolic syndrome". It kills way more than COVID. Specifically: fructose is mostly processed only by the l…

I don't know about the rest of this, but fructose cannot be turned into uric acid. Uric acid is a nitrogen compound and there is no nitrogen in fructose.

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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Post by daveguy »

giantg2 wrote: post #11
jrmg wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This included 8 hours of vomiting no mater how hard I willed it to stop or other remedies I tried, and it didn't work on the first dose It seems very plausible that after 8 hours vomiting would stop without intervention.

Why? One could say that about any duration, right?

Yes. You would have to have a placebo controlled test to confirm placebo vs "just happens to last 8 hours". This is what placebo controls are for.

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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Post by varjag »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #14

You can use Coca Cola for jail breaks: see this article about a recent jail break in Israel, where the inmates used cola to get through eight inches of concrete floors. So much for the acids that they put into this 'soft drink'... https://www.timesofisrael.com/captured-fugitives-from-gilboa... https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3222116/palestinian-...

A number of natural juices (e.g. grapefruit) are more acidic than Coca Cola, so that's not telling much.

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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Post by hairofadog »

littlestymaar wrote: post #7

> conspiracy theories Aren't those “urban legends” more than conspiracy theories? (Non-native English speaker here)

I’d say conspiracy theories are just urban legends but with the qualification that the antagonist is a large, powerful, and malicious organization, either a real or fictional.

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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Post by giantg2 »

silviot wrote: post #8
giantg2 wrote: post #2

Maybe Emetrol is placebo, but it has worked for me in the past on a couple of occasions. This included 8 hours of vomiting no mater how hard I willed it to stop or other remedies I tried, and it didn't work on the first dose. It didn't seem like placebo to me, but I am grateful it worked either way. One thing to note that isn't in the article, is that concentration can matter, so comparing one can to a 30ml dose of m…

Apparently placebo works even with dogs: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19912522/ Given that I would not find surprising if it worked for infants too

That's interesting. Yeah, I couldn't find anything about it for infants.

I wouldn't put too much stock in this study you linked. It's a meta analysis of other studies. These other studies were not designed to test placebo effect. The P value also seems quite large to me (.17). Seems to me like any benefit may have been the conventional drugs they were on...

"In each study, the treatment group received the experimental therapeutic intervention in addition to conventional antiepileptic drug treatment, and the control group received a matching placebo in addition to conventional antiepileptic drug treatment."

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