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Re: Trademark Actions Against the PostgreSQL Community

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Post by gaudat »

jimhefferon wrote: post #10
tempest_ wrote: post #8

In the spirit of the open source movement, the PostgreSQL community has always tried to operate transparently and fairly, and provide resources for people to adopt, use, and promote PostgreSQL. We continuously look to improve and are very much open to feedback (look no further than the discussions on our mailing lists)! Perhaps I am just a little too young but I do find the use of mailing lists in some of the older o…

Cumbersone in what way?

Worse UX to this generation of developers than say Discord or other IMs I guess.

Re: Trademark Actions Against the PostgreSQL Community

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Post by [deleted] »

jimhefferon wrote: post #10
tempest_ wrote: post #8

In the spirit of the open source movement, the PostgreSQL community has always tried to operate transparently and fairly, and provide resources for people to adopt, use, and promote PostgreSQL. We continuously look to improve and are very much open to feedback (look no further than the discussions on our mailing lists)! Perhaps I am just a little too young but I do find the use of mailing lists in some of the older o…

Cumbersone in what way?

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Re: Trademark Actions Against the PostgreSQL Community

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Post by slashdev »

clra wrote: post #6
mistrial9 wrote: post #2

Perhaps for legal reasons it is important to show willingness to negotiate .. but really, a land-grab like this gets "we hope we can be friends" response ? "The PostgreSQL Core Team and PGCAC still hope for an amicable resolution" ..

It's worth noting that (from the article) the offender in this case isn't some gigantic organization like Amazon — it's basically one guy, and one who considers himself to be a member in good standing whose part of the Postgres community. I'd hazard a guess that by taking this public, the Postgres team is trying to create some pressure on him through public opinion in the hope that he sees reason and it doesn't have…

Yeah, I'm guessing this is just an ego thing that got out of hand. Hopefully he comes around before both sides waste a lot of resources in court.

Re: Trademark Actions Against the PostgreSQL Community

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Post by elzbardico »

jimhefferon wrote: post #10
tempest_ wrote: post #8

In the spirit of the open source movement, the PostgreSQL community has always tried to operate transparently and fairly, and provide resources for people to adopt, use, and promote PostgreSQL. We continuously look to improve and are very much open to feedback (look no further than the discussions on our mailing lists)! Perhaps I am just a little too young but I do find the use of mailing lists in some of the older o…

Cumbersone in what way?

Let me say that I am honestly curious too.

Re: Trademark Actions Against the PostgreSQL Community

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Post by tempest_ »

jimhefferon wrote: post #10
tempest_ wrote: post #8

In the spirit of the open source movement, the PostgreSQL community has always tried to operate transparently and fairly, and provide resources for people to adopt, use, and promote PostgreSQL. We continuously look to improve and are very much open to feedback (look no further than the discussions on our mailing lists)! Perhaps I am just a little too young but I do find the use of mailing lists in some of the older o…

Cumbersone in what way?

Perhaps I am alone is this (based on the votes) but when I go to https://www.postgresql.org/list/ it requires a great deal of clicking to drill down and lets say I eventually end up some where like https://www.postgresql.org/list/pgsql-general/2021-09/ I am greeted with a lot "Re:" "No subject" etc.

Perhaps what is comes down to is I am trying to interact with a mailing list using a browser which is perhaps unfair. I would say that discovering what is being talked about and the barriers to entry for subscribing/unsubscribing provide way more friction then, lets say a subreddit or even a more classical forum layout.

Re: Trademark Actions Against the PostgreSQL Community

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Post by clra »

throwthere wrote: post #9

Álvaro Hernández here apparently runs a PostgreSQL consulting firm [1] and controls "Fundación PostgreSQL." Would Fundación PostgreSQL have the power to grant exclusive use of the trademark to the consulting firm? [1] https://ongres.com/about-us/#team

Just to play devil's advocate — OOC, what do you think the end game for Álvaro would be under this scenario?

Under the most cynical interpretation, I guess he'd convert Ongres from a Postgres consultancy to a trademark troll and sue other companies who try to use "Postgres"? Maybe, but that's a pretty serious professional change, and seems a little unlikely, especially given that's a considerable chance that he loses the trademark again if it does end up in court.

For my money, the most likely explanation is that it was a land grab move for prestige purposes that went too far. (And one which may backfire as Google ties this press release to his name.)

Re: Trademark Actions Against the PostgreSQL Community

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Post by tempest_ »

gaudat wrote: post #11
jimhefferon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cumbersone in what way?

Worse UX to this generation of developers than say Discord or other IMs I guess.

I don't think discord or slack is a great alternative as it is very ephemeral (and not really open source / decentralized) but I do think interacting with a mailing list is worse than a threaded forum type layout.

Re: Trademark Actions Against the PostgreSQL Community

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Post by wbl »

tempest_ wrote: post #18
gaudat wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worse UX to this generation of developers than say Discord or other IMs I guess.

I don't think discord or slack is a great alternative as it is very ephemeral (and not really open source / decentralized) but I do think interacting with a mailing list is worse than a threaded forum type layout.

Email has had threading since before I was born.
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