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Re: Individual Choices, Not Lockdowns

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Post by alkonaut » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 3:49 PM UTC

This is like vaccinations. The key to avoiding mandatory vaccination (or de facto mandatory as it would be when required in schools, workplaces, public transport) is that people do it voluntarily. The same applies to maintaining restrictions and distancing.

It might seem like a contradiction to be forced to volunteer, but, as the saying goes, it is what it is. The choice isn’t between observing the precautions or not, or taking the vaccine or not.

The choice is between doing something voluntarily or being forced to.

Re: Individual Choices, Not Lockdowns

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Post by valbaca » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 4:25 PM UTC

swiley wrote: post #5

jasonlaramburu wrote: post #2

>Florida and Texas registered lower deaths per 100,000 than states with stringent, long-term restrictions like New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts This often-touted talking point makes little actual sense. The tri-state area (NY,NJ,CT) was the first outbreak in the US. We didn’t yet know how to treat Covid properly, and had zero therapeutics, so naturally deaths were higher than in states who experienced…

My impression was that Washington (the state) was the first outbreak and they immediately took action in early march. NY was heavy handed but they also played a ton of games with it, that's why the authoritarian approach to most things fails.

That is accurate and that they chose to ignore how successful Washington state's mandates have been is very cherry-picking

Re: Individual Choices, Not Lockdowns

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Post by swiley » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

dazsnow wrote: post #9

swiley wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd disagree. I think most of the states have handled it better than say Canada or Australia.

Depends what your definition of "better" is. If better = "killed more people", then sure... The US state with the lowest death rate is Hawaii with 38 deaths / 100,000 ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi... ). Compare that with Australia - 3.7 ( https://covidlive.com.au/report/deaths-per-population ) - Canada - 0.27 ( https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-s... ) - and co…

Does that include suicides and drug related deaths? At least in the US those went up by an order of magnitude last year and I would be shocked if those countries did better.

Re: Individual Choices, Not Lockdowns

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Post by dazsnow » Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 12:06 AM UTC

swiley wrote: post #13

dazsnow wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends what your definition of "better" is. If better = "killed more people", then sure... The US state with the lowest death rate is Hawaii with 38 deaths / 100,000 ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi... ). Compare that with Australia - 3.7 ( https://covidlive.com.au/report/deaths-per-population ) - Canada - 0.27 ( https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-s... ) - and co…

Does that include suicides and drug related deaths? At least in the US those went up by an order of magnitude last year and I would be shocked if those countries did better.

Be shocked then.