Individual Choices, Not Lockdowns
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Individual Choices, Not Lockdowns
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Re: Individual Choices, Not Lockdowns
#2>Florida and Texas registered lower deaths per 100,000 than states with stringent, long-term restrictions like New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts
This often-touted talking point makes little actual sense. The tri-state area (NY,NJ,CT) was the first outbreak in the US. We didn’t yet know how to treat Covid properly, and had zero therapeutics, so naturally deaths were higher than in states who experienced much later outbreaks.
Re: Individual Choices, Not Lockdowns
#3I don’t think anyone thinks American handled this pandemic well. We royally screwed it up no matter what your political opinion.
IMO our biggest error was conflicting information and guidance. Had everyone, from Trump down, set out clear, consistent, and simple guidelines for people to follow, we could have avoided lockdowns and had fewer deaths, not to mention far less political and personal contention.
Re: Individual Choices, Not Lockdowns
#4I don’t think anyone thinks American handled this pandemic well. We royally screwed it up no matter what your political opinion. IMO our biggest error was conflicting information and guidance. Had everyone, from Trump down, set out clear, consistent, and simple guidelines for people to follow, we could have avoided lockdowns and had fewer deaths, not to mention far less political and personal contention.
I'd disagree. I think most of the states have handled it better than say Canada or Australia.
Re: Individual Choices, Not Lockdowns
#5>Florida and Texas registered lower deaths per 100,000 than states with stringent, long-term restrictions like New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts This often-touted talking point makes little actual sense. The tri-state area (NY,NJ,CT) was the first outbreak in the US. We didn’t yet know how to treat Covid properly, and had zero therapeutics, so naturally deaths were higher than in states who experienced…
My impression was that Washington (the state) was the first outbreak and they immediately took action in early march. NY was heavy handed but they also played a ton of games with it, that's why the authoritarian approach to most things fails.
Re: Individual Choices, Not Lockdowns
#6I don’t think anyone thinks American handled this pandemic well. We royally screwed it up no matter what your political opinion. IMO our biggest error was conflicting information and guidance. Had everyone, from Trump down, set out clear, consistent, and simple guidelines for people to follow, we could have avoided lockdowns and had fewer deaths, not to mention far less political and personal contention.
I'd disagree. I think most of the states have handled it better than say Canada or Australia.
Let's take deaths as an indicator of "pandemic handling". Australia had sub-1K total confirmed deaths which is a very very low value for a nation that large. Canada had 26,635; USA had 615,326.
Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat...
Even single state figures are quite high: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1103688/coronavirus-covi...
Re: Individual Choices, Not Lockdowns
#7>Florida and Texas registered lower deaths per 100,000 than states with stringent, long-term restrictions like New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts This often-touted talking point makes little actual sense. The tri-state area (NY,NJ,CT) was the first outbreak in the US. We didn’t yet know how to treat Covid properly, and had zero therapeutics, so naturally deaths were higher than in states who experienced…
And Florida and Texas coincidentally have a much larger share of warm days in which people are more likely to socialise outdoors anyway (where it's proven that transmission is far less likely).
Not sure it matters, but also not sure it doesn't, so my point is that looking at a single factor is very much dishonest.
Re: Individual Choices, Not Lockdowns
#8I don’t think anyone thinks American handled this pandemic well. We royally screwed it up no matter what your political opinion. IMO our biggest error was conflicting information and guidance. Had everyone, from Trump down, set out clear, consistent, and simple guidelines for people to follow, we could have avoided lockdowns and had fewer deaths, not to mention far less political and personal contention.
That doesn't seem objectively true. It seems like the only working alternative to what we did was far stricter lockdowns (See AU). But even those places are still dealing with the pandemic. In fact, it looks to me like we have two choices - get in lockdown, close all borders and remain that way indefinitely, or open up and move on with our lives.
We can say this much - whatever we've been doing so far has not worked. We should try something else.
Re: Individual Choices, Not Lockdowns
#9I don’t think anyone thinks American handled this pandemic well. We royally screwed it up no matter what your political opinion. IMO our biggest error was conflicting information and guidance. Had everyone, from Trump down, set out clear, consistent, and simple guidelines for people to follow, we could have avoided lockdowns and had fewer deaths, not to mention far less political and personal contention.
I'd disagree. I think most of the states have handled it better than say Canada or Australia.
Depends what your definition of "better" is. If better = "killed more people", then sure...
The US state with the lowest death rate is Hawaii with 38 deaths / 100,000 (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi...).
Compare that with Australia - 3.7 (https://covidlive.com.au/report/deaths-per-population) - Canada - 0.27 (https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-s...) - and countries with even stricter and longer-lasting lockdowns like Singapore - 0.00042 (https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-m...).
Re: Individual Choices, Not Lockdowns
#10>Florida and Texas registered lower deaths per 100,000 than states with stringent, long-term restrictions like New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts This often-touted talking point makes little actual sense. The tri-state area (NY,NJ,CT) was the first outbreak in the US. We didn’t yet know how to treat Covid properly, and had zero therapeutics, so naturally deaths were higher than in states who experienced…
Here's a graph of cumulative COVID deaths per 100k for the top 10 states (with New York highlighted), Texas, Florida, and Washington [1] that illustrates that.
New York is high today (#2) because they got a large number of deaths in the first 100 days. After 100 days of COVID it was (all numbers are per 100k):
164 New York
17 Washington
16 Florida
8 Texas
276 New York
186 Texas
185 Florida
81 Washington
112 New York
178 Texas
168 Florida
73 Washington
[1] http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states-...