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Plan Your Route Privately: DuckDuckGo Now Has Driving and Walking Directions

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Re: Plan Your Route Privately: DuckDuckGo Now Has Driving and Walking Directions

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post #7

It's hard to call it "private" in absolute terms when the principle of operation of the service is to send your data to a third party. Sure, it's less un-private than using the data vacuum that is Google, but it's still sharing pieces of your life with a random org.

> If you’re using something that’s “free...,” you’re the product being sold.

A lot of people still don’t realize this, or just don’t care.

Re: Plan Your Route Privately: DuckDuckGo Now Has Driving and Walking Directions

#12
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It clearly says "DuckDuckGo Blog" in the page, so your accusation that it's deliberately causing confusion is just plain false.

Are you talking about the footer? A very small percentage of people would scroll all the way to the bottom especially on a relatively long page like this (5583px tall on desktop). Speaking of actually visible branding, there's a DuckDuckGo logo (without wordmark) in the top left corner and that's about it. To most people who aren't familiar with the DuckDuckGo logo, this would indeed look like the site of some privac…

> Are you talking about the footer?

Why don't you look at the header?

> To most people who aren't familiar with the DuckDuckGo logo, this would indeed look like the site of some privacy advocacy group.

Seriously???

Re: Plan Your Route Privately: DuckDuckGo Now Has Driving and Walking Directions

#13
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you talking about the footer? A very small percentage of people would scroll all the way to the bottom especially on a relatively long page like this (5583px tall on desktop). Speaking of actually visible branding, there's a DuckDuckGo logo (without wordmark) in the top left corner and that's about it. To most people who aren't familiar with the DuckDuckGo logo, this would indeed look like the site of some privac…

> Are you talking about the footer? Why don't you look at the header? > To most people who aren't familiar with the DuckDuckGo logo, this would indeed look like the site of some privacy advocacy group. Seriously???

> Why don't you look at the header?

And why don't you look at my comment talking about the header?

> Seriously???

You seriously think more than 10% of Internet users recognize the DuckDuckGo logo? (Actually, s/10%/1%/.)

Re: Plan Your Route Privately: DuckDuckGo Now Has Driving and Walking Directions

#14
post #8
post #3

The article doesn't say, but if it used an OpenStreetMap-based routing engine (which you can self-host because, y'know, open data) then the directions might misalign to the display layer which is Apple Maps. Therefore it must send your directions request to Apple. Which I guess is fine, they'll just see "some DDG user" requesting certain directions and it's definitely not the worst company they could be working with,…

So much can be gleaned from the way points. Google guesses home and work with great accuracy without the need for crazy fancy data analysis.

But only because they can tie it to a user account. If DDG is the middleduck acting as an anonymizing layer, Apple won't be able to perform such analysis on the data.

This is all conjecture obviously, it's hard to know exactly how much data Apple is getting, and if they could use something else to fingerprint users, but I'll give DDG the benefit of doubt for now.

Re: Plan Your Route Privately: DuckDuckGo Now Has Driving and Walking Directions

#15
post #3

The article doesn't say, but if it used an OpenStreetMap-based routing engine (which you can self-host because, y'know, open data) then the directions might misalign to the display layer which is Apple Maps. Therefore it must send your directions request to Apple. Which I guess is fine, they'll just see "some DDG user" requesting certain directions and it's definitely not the worst company they could be working with,…

The article states the directions are calculated by the Apple Maps engine.

Re: Plan Your Route Privately: DuckDuckGo Now Has Driving and Walking Directions

#16

Driving and walking but no cycling?

DuckDuckGo seems to be a US-based enterprise (remind me again how that works with being "privacy friendly"?) so it's hardly surprising as cycling seems to be almost non-existing in most cities in the US.

Re: Plan Your Route Privately: DuckDuckGo Now Has Driving and Walking Directions

#17
Weirdness.

Not familiar with the ddg maps features. Got a map and directions to where I'm going. Apple logo on the map. Fine.

Clicking and zooming on the map, and suddenly I noticed I'm on a Google map with a Google url.

I'll have to go slower when I have the time, and figure out if it's worth using.

Re: Plan Your Route Privately: DuckDuckGo Now Has Driving and Walking Directions

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post #3

The article doesn't say, but if it used an OpenStreetMap-based routing engine (which you can self-host because, y'know, open data) then the directions might misalign to the display layer which is Apple Maps. Therefore it must send your directions request to Apple. Which I guess is fine, they'll just see "some DDG user" requesting certain directions and it's definitely not the worst company they could be working with,…

The article states the directions are calculated by the Apple Maps engine.

Where? When I look(ed) for it, all it says is

> like our embedded maps, powered by Apple's MapKit JS framework

The JavaScript framework they use is not necessarily the same as the server-side routing engine. One can overlay data (like the path to drive and turns to take) with any mapping library like google, leaflet, etc.

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