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Are we living at the 'hinge of history'?

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Re: Are we living at the 'hinge of history'?

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I'd argue the cold war was closer to the 'hinge of history'. In fact on this very day 9/26 in 1983, a not very well known soviet lieutenant colonel prevented what would very likely have been all out atomic war.

In the grand scheme of things, everything that happened this year is probably minor in comparison to Petrov's decision.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alar...

Re: Are we living at the 'hinge of history'?

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Are we not always in the "hinge of history"? What we do determines what the future is like, and the future is dependent on how we act now. If everybody aims towards the highest good, society will probably look better than if we aim towards the worst future possible.

I think something like this can only be determined in retrospect. The importance of a specific event usually makes little impact at the time it occurs, and reverberates through the future. It's only upon looking back that we can see how important it was.

Was Nietzsche world-renowned when he was actively writing, or Einstein when he made his discoveries?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it was probably true for most of them. The stakes for humanity keep rising, so "now" is usually the most important time in history.

I mean stakes have been pretty high when Mongolians were invading Europe and China, when Hitler was invading everywhere, etc etc.

Or when the Spanish vini vidi vicied the Americas.

But you could argue too that post nuclear has been continually the highest stakes by far.

Re: Are we living at the 'hinge of history'?

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I have a hunch every society in the past thought that.

That's actually probably not true. I'm not a historian, but one interesting thing I've learned from reading lots of history is the different attitudes different societies had about the past/future.

As far as I know, it's only really since the enlightenment/industrial revolution, that people feel like the future is going to be better. The idea that the past was the golden age, where Humans were much more advanced, knew more, Had better technology, etc, seems to be the common position in history.

Im not sure about the feeling that society was"hungry" ala the article, but I suspect that feeling is connected.

Re: Are we living at the 'hinge of history'?

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I was educated at my university that the hinge of history was actually World War I. Hundreds of millions died in horrific new waus, the world centralized around a pole of power, and basically the world has only been getting better since.

I was left with this impression when I listened to Blueprint for Armageddon, by Dan Carlin. It's excellent. I thought I knew the history of that era but I was very wrong. The early parts are a little boring compared to what it turns into, but I can't see how that could be avoided given the topic.

https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-50-55-blu...

Re: Are we living at the 'hinge of history'?

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Probably only true if we allow the “hinge” to be a process that spans several centuries, perhaps starting around 1800 with the beginnings of industrialization and gathering pace in the 20th century.

If we look at the 21st century so far, it just hasn’t been... that interesting! Indeed some scholars of technological change (to take just one metric) actually think the pace of change has slowed. The 20th century gave us flight, the Haber-Bosch process, nuclear weapons, antibiotics, space flight, computers, the Pill, the Internet. The 21st? The iPhone? Meh.

Think long term. Expect a humdrum next decade and an interesting next century.

Re: Are we living at the 'hinge of history'?

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I think no. We are in a boring, prosperous, stable time with an overactive media. The virus is bad, but it will pass and medical science will save many millions. The plague of Justinian, this is not. Hope I'm not wrong about that, at any rate.

Nobody serious sees the Coronavirus as an existential threat to humanity unless it mutates in a way that really enables it to wipe out most humans.

Climate change and the collapse of global ecosystems can absolutely manage that and according to every serious scientist we are pretty much on the worst case scenario path according to any peer reviewed model.

The rise in nationalism and authoritarianism around the world is another phenomenon that could unleash forces of global conflict which might lead to cataclysms like a nuclear war or another world war at least.

Of course pivotal moments in history can only be declared as such in hindsight. But the forces leading up to them usually gather steam decades before. It looks as we have no shortage of those in our time.

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I'm surprised none of the responses here are discussing climate change. Unlike other concerns, higher average global temps are baked in for centuries, even if we stopped all greenhouse gas emissions today (which, obviously, is not happening).

I put in a "yes" vote for the hinge of history simple due to the fact that our inability to drastically restructure our economy today will severely negativity affect billions in the future. Keeping global warming below 2°C is a pipe dream IMO, and the big question remains to be seen of whether we see big positive feedback loops that result in greatly increased warming (8°C or so). If that happens, WWII will look inconsequential by comparison.

Re: Are we living at the 'hinge of history'?

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I'd argue the cold war was closer to the 'hinge of history'. In fact on this very day 9/26 in 1983, a not very well known soviet lieutenant colonel prevented what would very likely have been all out atomic war. In the grand scheme of things, everything that happened this year is probably minor in comparison to Petrov's decision. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alar...

True. But very few people knew on September 26, 1986. There could be equally large catastrophes avoided today that we don’t know about

Re: Are we living at the 'hinge of history'?

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post #7

I think no. We are in a boring, prosperous, stable time with an overactive media. The virus is bad, but it will pass and medical science will save many millions. The plague of Justinian, this is not. Hope I'm not wrong about that, at any rate.

I worry that we’re at a point at which technology can permanently entrench power in the hands of the few, and that the world’s largest democracy is currently in thrall to people who would like to see that happen.
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