Was reverse causation considered? Those with some heart damage are more likely to be tested and hospitalized for COVID-19?
Mysterious heart damage, not just lung troubles, befalling Covid-19 patients
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#12There is a paper circulating that claims that the virus impedes red blood cells leading to organ failure including lungs, and not the other way round.
Do you have a link?
https://chemrxiv.org/articles/COVID-19_Disease_ORF8_and_Surf...
Among the speculation is that a blood transfusion may be a viable treatment.
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#14I wonder if the patients get too much hydroxychloroquine. It can couse heart failures.
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#15is this 1 in 5 in people who are otherwise asymptomatic as well? I guess not, or we would be seeing a lot more dead but I wonder if there are any heart attacks occurring in otherwise asymptomatic people and not being marked down as Covid-19 related.
we are seeing a lot more dead in heavily affected regions. and there is no statistics about why they died... Personally I think this is quite worrying with a lot of people now thinking we put masks on and then can go back to work. If this is indeed having serious side effects, we need to eradicate this. Meaning total lockdown except absolute necessities (e.g. ask: will people die of physical reasons if this service is out for a week) worldwide, implemented yesterday.
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#16There is a paper circulating that claims that the virus impedes red blood cells leading to organ failure including lungs, and not the other way round.
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#17is this 1 in 5 in people who are otherwise asymptomatic as well? I guess not, or we would be seeing a lot more dead but I wonder if there are any heart attacks occurring in otherwise asymptomatic people and not being marked down as Covid-19 related.
we are seeing a lot more dead in heavily affected regions. and there is no statistics about why they died... Personally I think this is quite worrying with a lot of people now thinking we put masks on and then can go back to work. If this is indeed having serious side effects, we need to eradicate this. Meaning total lockdown except absolute necessities (e.g. ask: will people die of physical reasons if this service i…
Won't happen. We can't go in lockdown for 2 or three years..
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#18One factor to consider: Some folks will be absolutely terrified to learn they have this disease, which may have real effects. An example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo_death “These data suggest that vagus contributes to severe emotional states and may be related to emotional states of immobilization, such as extreme terror. Unfortunately, this immobilization technique is potentially life-threatening for mamm…
Not heard it called this, was aware of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_heart#Broken_heart_synd...
I do recall reading few articles that support it as an actual condition and makes logical sense that for some that will be a factor - lost loved one in same family, increases the odds of catching the virus and also a broken heart. Truly a tradgerday on many levels. Also mindful that the impact of this pandemic will see many indirect deaths in the years to come and the scale of things won't be measured in people who died and tested positive, but how the rest live.
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#19is this 1 in 5 in people who are otherwise asymptomatic as well? I guess not, or we would be seeing a lot more dead but I wonder if there are any heart attacks occurring in otherwise asymptomatic people and not being marked down as Covid-19 related.
I just had a family friend die of a heart attack with no covid symptoms - definitely a scary time
A (distant) friend shared he lost his wife to hearth attack a couple of weeks ago out of the blue. I figure(d) it was random.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
we are seeing a lot more dead in heavily affected regions. and there is no statistics about why they died... Personally I think this is quite worrying with a lot of people now thinking we put masks on and then can go back to work. If this is indeed having serious side effects, we need to eradicate this. Meaning total lockdown except absolute necessities (e.g. ask: will people die of physical reasons if this service i…
Won't happen. We can't go in lockdown for 2 or three years..
Probably not for even another month. Because it will stop working, for practical reasons. People will have to go back to work, or be evicted. Go out for necessities, shopping around to find any, increasing their exposure instead of decreasing it. Go job interviewing. All sorts of fallout, which actually increases travel and potential infection, instead of reducing it.
Its easy for us middle-class folks to say "Just stay at home and eat cake!" This whole lockdown thing is divided on class lines. Just look in the window at the McD's drive-thru. Those folks don't have the luxury of staying home.