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Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

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Re: Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

#11
Is this a broadside against Facebook's trackers?

Does anyone believe for one picosecond they will block their own cookies? I switched to Firefox when I tried to block all 3rd aprty cookies on Chrome and found some (Google's) that just wouldn't disappear.

Re: Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

#12
Amusingly, the paywall appears to be frontend-only. Stop the page from finishing loading before the modal appears and you can read the whole thing.

> The IAB Tech Lab this week called for publishers, advertisers, and adtech companies to unite to create standards and a replacement for third-party cookies on browsers like Chrome, Apple's Safari and Mozilla-owned Firefox. Dubbed Project Rearc, the effort is eventually supposed to include a consumer ad campaign to reach 2 billion people.

...bwuh?

Re: Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

#13
post #11

Is this a broadside against Facebook's trackers? Does anyone believe for one picosecond they will block their own cookies? I switched to Firefox when I tried to block all 3rd aprty cookies on Chrome and found some (Google's) that just wouldn't disappear.

As noted in a recent (and very busy) thread, Chrome sends an installation-specific ID to Google domains in a special header. This can easily be used as an identifier for tracking in the absence of cookies, and it's an advantage that Google's competitors lack.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22236106

Re: Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

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post #2

The article is paywalled (or at least gated).

It's not a paywall, just poor design: if you're outside the US, you might get redirected to a local version of that website, where the page doesn't exist. The workaround is apparently to add ?IR=C to the URL.

Re: Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

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post #12

Amusingly, the paywall appears to be frontend-only. Stop the page from finishing loading before the modal appears and you can read the whole thing. > The IAB Tech Lab this week called for publishers, advertisers, and adtech companies to unite to create standards and a replacement for third-party cookies on browsers like Chrome, Apple's Safari and Mozilla-owned Firefox. Dubbed Project Rearc, the effort is eventually s…

IAB also wants things like safaris intelligent tracking prevention to be illegal.

In their ideal world every browser would be required to include a persistent unique per user ID.

Re: Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

#16
I work in marketing. It's hard to anticipate the all the effects, but we have of yet no reason to be too concerned. Google is unclear on how it will affect the options of their advertisements, but we anticipate that however they implement the rules, their own network will come out on top, and we will have even less reason to use any other advertisement network (surprise, surprise).

I wonder if this will finally be the death of display advertising - the value is already insanely low. And for the most part we have moved on to other channels.

Re: Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

#17

At this point I'm absolutely convinced that anything bad for adtech is good for society. Absolute profit driven evil. An entire industry built around psychological manipulation for the sole purpose of convincing people to consume products that they likely don't need, while simulataneously setting the stage for an Orweillian surveillance state... No one with a conscience should be working in adtech. And there are far…

I am certainly no fan of current advertising - it is fundamentally backwards from what is useful - the customer wants information on what would fufill their needs and desires and should shape the provider. Beyond sinple "this exists" advertising tries to shape their desire to the product. Unfortunately there isn't exactly even a good theory for a better information propagation mechanism for resource allocation let alone one in practice.

I wouldn't go so far to go zero sum with ad tech vs society. To be a smartass bathing the worls in nuclear fire would be bad for adtech and bad for society. Not to mention society is horrifyingly vague and exploitable. You can call the downfall of the Kim Jonh dynasty, the military, and the rise of a free and democratic North Korea/unified Korea the a destruction of a society.

Personally I suspect that critical analysis by default isn't used period and the issues of influencers far predate ad tech. One bit of accidental good they can engage in is building skepticism - a cure all claim is greeted with more incredulity today than in the old west.

Re: Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

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This is something safari has being doing by default for more than a decade (I think from the very first version).

Firefox has been doing it for a while now as well iirc.

Chrome only appears to be doing it now that they’ve got people logging into their browser, and even if not, sending a unique ID to googles servers - some far more powerful and persistent than anything a cookie ever gave.

Re: Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

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At this point I'm absolutely convinced that anything bad for adtech is good for society. Absolute profit driven evil. An entire industry built around psychological manipulation for the sole purpose of convincing people to consume products that they likely don't need, while simulataneously setting the stage for an Orweillian surveillance state... No one with a conscience should be working in adtech. And there are far…

Who defines what people need? Buying a can of soda is not something people need when water is so cheap. Buying that soda (as a collective effort) keeps thousands of people employed, and keeps their families growing. Society relies on advertising. The Orwellian state has been growing for decades. Adtech is no unique villain in this story.

Adtech has been used to sell copies of 1984 and A Brave New World. Something people arguably don't need to survive, and enjoy reading anyway.

Bill Hicks had a great bit on advertisers. I think the argument for adtech's potential for evil can be better articulated. After all, ublock origin, adblocking tech has millions of users. How effective could the brainwashing be if people are choosing to leave it?

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