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Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

#11

This is standard procedure in these kind of contract fights. I get so sick and tired of government IT contract squabbles. They drag on for years, little usually changes, and, in the meantime the work doesn't get done.

I'm not sure how standard procedure it is for the President to intervene in a down-the-chain contract decision though.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

#13

This is standard procedure in these kind of contract fights. I get so sick and tired of government IT contract squabbles. They drag on for years, little usually changes, and, in the meantime the work doesn't get done.

Sure, but in this case, the choice of Azure over AWS was due to government corruption, rather than actual technical diligence.

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#14
post #10

this kind of stuff is such an american way of doing things. - bid for contracts that enables government to make some real progress - lose - sue because you lost, claim winner can’t start until your suit is over - introduce 1-2 year delay of waiting while your complaint is processed and people wonder why china gets things done in a quarter of the time

Yeah, they get things done because they're a totalitarian, completely opaque regime. I'll take western governments with all their faults and inneficiencies, thank you.

Plenty of western governments get lots done efficiently. Parent comment was about US practices.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

#15

this kind of stuff is such an american way of doing things. - bid for contracts that enables government to make some real progress - lose - sue because you lost, claim winner can’t start until your suit is over - introduce 1-2 year delay of waiting while your complaint is processed and people wonder why china gets things done in a quarter of the time

I doubt it's a US prerogative, this happened regularly in my home town in Italy, with the extra fun of really slow justice.

E.g. it took a whole administration (~5 years) to get through with a door-to-door recycling system because of lawsuits and appeals.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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post #13

This is standard procedure in these kind of contract fights. I get so sick and tired of government IT contract squabbles. They drag on for years, little usually changes, and, in the meantime the work doesn't get done.

Sure, but in this case, the choice of Azure over AWS was due to government corruption, rather than actual technical diligence.

is there any evidence backing this?

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

#17
post #13

This is standard procedure in these kind of contract fights. I get so sick and tired of government IT contract squabbles. They drag on for years, little usually changes, and, in the meantime the work doesn't get done.

Sure, but in this case, the choice of Azure over AWS was due to government corruption, rather than actual technical diligence.

That's not substantiated. There are a lot of reasons that Azure could have won this project, highlighted by the fact that they have decades long relationships in terms of executing on government contracts.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

#18

this kind of stuff is such an american way of doing things. - bid for contracts that enables government to make some real progress - lose - sue because you lost, claim winner can’t start until your suit is over - introduce 1-2 year delay of waiting while your complaint is processed and people wonder why china gets things done in a quarter of the time

If only we could all be so lucky as to live in an authoritarian dictatorship.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

#19
Normally this might seem like a case of sore loser.

But here's the thing: in government it's very important that contracts are awarded on objective merit, because otherwise there's shockingly large opportunity for corruption and favoritism. Billions and billions of dollars of opportunity.

And also in this case, Trump's deep antipathy towards Bezos is well-documented, as well as his willingness to use government means for personal ends. Trump instructing the Pentagon to drop the objectively best bid seems to fit his established pattern of behavior.

So in this case, Amazon's suit seems to be an entirely reasonable response. If what Amazon alleges is true and they win, it will be a victory for good government and correct use of taxpayer dollars. Presidents aren't kings -- it's vitally important for democracy that objective procedures are followed, and that personal grudges aren't allowed to influence multi-billion dollar deals.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

#20
post #13

This is standard procedure in these kind of contract fights. I get so sick and tired of government IT contract squabbles. They drag on for years, little usually changes, and, in the meantime the work doesn't get done.

Sure, but in this case, the choice of Azure over AWS was due to government corruption, rather than actual technical diligence.

One could argue that no matter which company is selected.
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