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We Only Hire the Trendiest (2016)

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Re: We Only Hire the Trendiest (2016)

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I worked on a big C# system with hundreds of windows servers, developed on Visual Studio etc. It was an awesome project and everything worked like clockwork. However there are very few projects using that technology so when I wanted to move I had trouble getting interviews. I'm now working with a very fashionable tech stack, its horrible, infrastructure is regularly broken, people can't trace problems easily, our fun…

There’s a lot of .NET jobs in boring fields like oil and gas - Houston has tons of them.

Medical, too. And again, Houston for that as well.

Re: We Only Hire the Trendiest (2016)

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You need to present yourself as whatever image the employer/recruiter has in her/his head. For example my old employer thought that people who had their heir in a certain way was more structured and would be a better manager. Or the company might want do diversify, so they look for someone that is different . So in the end I think it's mostly about luck unless you are very good at figuring these things out.

Very true - there are often unofficial qualifications that aren't listed in the job posting too - things that would be strange to put into the official posting. We were hiring an analyst at my old company who needed to be tough. The job entailed performing statistical analysis, but also being the data liaison for some of our vendors. If the vendors were slow in responding or broke something, this analyst was the one…

> It got me thinking into how much of the hiring process is based on luck or other external factors that the candidate has no control over.

Cue the old saw about how a hiring manager takes a stack of resumes, divides it in half, and then tosses them into the garbage: "we don't hire unlucky people".

Re: We Only Hire the Trendiest (2016)

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I'm sorry but I find it very hard to believe that someone with "11 years in industry" would have any trouble finding a job in this market unless there is something extremely wrong with that person. You don’t create a network of personal relationships with other professionals in 11 years? That’s crazy!

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I'm sorry but I find it very hard to believe that someone with "11 years in industry" would have any trouble finding a job in this market unless there is something extremely wrong with that person. You don’t create a network of personal relationships with other professionals in 11 years? That’s crazy!

This couldn't be more true.

Re: We Only Hire the Trendiest (2016)

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> When I've compared notes with folks who attended schools like Utah and Boise State, their education is basically the same as mine.

I work at one of the well-known tech companies, and what I’ve noticed among most software engineers and data scientists is that they don’t really care about your background as long as you can do the work. Which is really nice; whenever I interview candidates, I don’t notice much correlation between the school they attended and their interview performance.

However, the pure research division at this company is totally different. There appears to be a very heavy emphasis placed on the school attended. I was a bit miffed one day because I overheard one of the AI researchers saying “everyone knows there is a huge difference in caliber between the students that attended Stanford and Berkeley for CS and those that attended Georgia Tech”. As someone who attended GT and has a research background, this rubbed me the wrong way. There were also a few disparaging comments about the South in general. Even if there is a difference between the schools (at the graduate level), I would imagine the Bell curves can’t be that far apart from each other. It’s not like 90% of the students that attended Stanford are brighter than 90% that attended CMU.

Re: We Only Hire the Trendiest (2016)

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>When I started programming, I heard a lot about how programmers are down to earth, not like those elitist folks who have uniforms involving suits and ties. You can even wear t-shirts to work! But if you think programmers aren't elitist, try wearing a suit and tie to an interview sometime. Indeed: http://web.archive.org/web/20140618142018/http://blog.42floo...

Twenty two years ago I wore a suit and tie to my first going-to-graduate-soon interview in the valley. It’s just what I was used to from DC.

It happened that my interview was on Halloween so I joked that it was that once I realized what was going on but still, extremely awkward and set the tone of each interview poorly.

Every time I go to Defcon or similar conferences, though, I think of that interview and imagine the hilarious counterculture opportunities of showing up in something other than the black t-shirt uniform.

Re: We Only Hire the Trendiest (2016)

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Why not just lie in the resume to contain the most "trendiest" tech. Anyway, most questions would be of general system design for Sr Devs.

That's not the rule in my experience. There is tunnel vision in the technical interviews.

You get the tech wizz that has spent his 2 years of experience studying java memory model and think with your 20 years of experience you should know everything he knows. So you get to talk for 2 hours about JDK implementation details, optimisation of algortithms, the mandatory compiler questions or other he remember from uni. Because you worked last year on a big migration to the cloud that included as a minor item a JDK 11 migration, you need to be aware of all the garbage collector options and algorithms that he so wish to use when they eventually migrate the stuck in Java 6 app the position is for.

So the guy is disapointed, and sure that's not what you are supposed to be hired for, but that's a black mark on your set of interviews and if they don't need to hire immediately you get passed on and understand why the job offer has been opened for 6 months.

Re: We Only Hire the Trendiest (2016)

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> Unlike me, he doesn't know a lot of folks at trendy companies, so I passed his resume around to some engineers I know at companies that are desperately hiring. My engineering friends thought Mike's resume was fine, but most recruiters rejected him in the resume screening phase.

I agree with the overall premise that people with particular trendy areas of knowledge get more noticed, but in my experience, a strong enough recommendation from an engineer on the inside can easily override a recruiter screening checklist, and it sounds like your friend has enough experience to warrant a technical phone screen at the least.

I wonder if your engineer contacts at the company in question didn't feel as strongly about the candidate as you did, and hence weren't willing to expend the capital needed to override the recruiter.

That raises the question: are you willing to spend the capital to convince them to do so on your friend's behalf? I mean by talking to them and convincing them. If this article is the attempt to do that, I'm not so sure it is properly directed.

> Wisconsin's rank as an engineering school comes from having professors who do great research which is, at best, weakly correlated to effectiveness at actually teaching undergrads. Despite getting the same engineering education you could get at hundreds of other schools, I had a very easy time getting interviews and finding a great job.

Ah yes, the reputation cartel of elite universities. This is a situation as old as formal education, and exacerbated by the cost of higher education and the inequality of opportunity in early education.

A solution to this is making quality public education from primary through University affordable and accessible to all working class people, just as was done for a specific subset of working-class people in the decades after world war II. That was the original purpose of the public university system after all - the wealthy had their system of private colleges.

Instead, the public university system has turned more to the model of elite private universities, which was more about burnishing credentials in order to retain the position in the class that you were born into. Hence the coining of the phrase "elite public university".

Re: We Only Hire the Trendiest (2016)

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post #3

>When I started programming, I heard a lot about how programmers are down to earth, not like those elitist folks who have uniforms involving suits and ties. You can even wear t-shirts to work! But if you think programmers aren't elitist, try wearing a suit and tie to an interview sometime. Indeed: http://web.archive.org/web/20140618142018/http://blog.42floo...

Is it bad that I've always worn a suit and tie to interviews?

Obviously nobody else there was wearing one so I did feel a bit out of place.

Re: We Only Hire the Trendiest (2016)

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I'm sorry but I find it very hard to believe that someone with "11 years in industry" would have any trouble finding a job in this market unless there is something extremely wrong with that person. You don’t create a network of personal relationships with other professionals in 11 years? That’s crazy!

Try finding a gig as a top-notch embedded coder who has spent a decade or two doing C. Uncool stack with a helping of age bias on top.

I’ve personally seen Windows developers assumed to be idiots in interview round tables even if they did fine.

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