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Ruthless Quotas at Amazon Are Maiming Employees

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Re: Ruthless Quotas at Amazon Are Maiming Employees

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I speak for myself and not my employer, past or present. More and more facilities are becoming robot centric. The only reason humans exist in the robot facilities is because they do something robots don't do well yet. Usually grabbing objects of varying shapes, sizes, and weights. It's unsurprising that these facilities are moving at such a pace that they're becoming increasingly dangerous and inhumane. I have, in th…

I also speak for myself, and there are tons of positions in my FC that don't involve robots at all. In the ship dock, we use conveyor belts, PIT machines, and pallet jacks. As you would imagine, it's quite crazy over there with tons of workers. But I wouldn't know how that area could be automated any further. Humans are needed to build pallets of packages and to build walls in trucks. Otherwise, we would lose money for just throwing the packages in the trucks. >It's unsurprising that these facilities are moving at such a pace that they're becoming increasingly dangerous and inhumane. I stowed previously for a year, and the pace increased when the new Nike systems were put in place. What that meant for me was that I could stow faster because I didn't need to scan the QR code on the bins I placed the items in. That alone took a couple seconds each time. I also saved my hands and wrists from injury by being able to use both hands when stowing the items. Before I handled them one handed with a scanner in the other hand. With these changes, I became one of the top stowers, and it was almost too easy after that.

Re: Ruthless Quotas at Amazon Are Maiming Employees

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I speak for myself and not my employer, past or present. More and more facilities are becoming robot centric. The only reason humans exist in the robot facilities is because they do something robots don't do well yet. Usually grabbing objects of varying shapes, sizes, and weights. It's unsurprising that these facilities are moving at such a pace that they're becoming increasingly dangerous and inhumane. I have, in th…

I think you're right that in this mix the robots will win. Amazon is working to automate their logistics as much as possible --but I think they should do it in a way more human way. They should design their process with people in mind and keep people's well being and limits in mind when designing as well as when managing people. Unionization is not an answer, well it might be but only temporarily as most people in fu…

I think they are doing just that, building the machines to keep people in mind, until the research helps the machines replace the humans. Automation is an inevitable process that is slowly creeping on us. I know the days of old are coming to an end and the new modern day warehouses will be nearly fully automated, but I am grateful for the opportunities that Amazon has today. there are hundreds of thousands of jobs thanks to the success of Amazon and even with a robotic facility, Humans still play a major part in keeping Amazon successful. The robots and machines help alleviate the work load and keeps the pace constant and work efficient. These times wont last forever so I'm getting this cash while I can. And as preparation for the future, I have also learned how to code through one of Amazon's career choice programs. Gotta take advantage of all the opportunities while they are available.

Re: Ruthless Quotas at Amazon Are Maiming Employees

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I speak for myself and not my employer, past or present. More and more facilities are becoming robot centric. The only reason humans exist in the robot facilities is because they do something robots don't do well yet. Usually grabbing objects of varying shapes, sizes, and weights. It's unsurprising that these facilities are moving at such a pace that they're becoming increasingly dangerous and inhumane. I have, in th…

I also speak for myself, and there are tons of positions in my FC that don't involve robots at all. In the ship dock, we use conveyor belts, PIT machines, and pallet jacks. As you would imagine, it's quite crazy over there with tons of workers. But I wouldn't know how that area could be automated any further. Humans are needed to build pallets of packages and to build walls in trucks. Otherwise, we would lose money f…

With all due respect, It seems like you've created this account only to do positive PR for Amazon (which is against the site's guidelines,) and your comments and that of the other JAX2 accounts that appeared yesterday read like they've been filtered through HR.

Amazon deserves to have their say, and there's nothing wrong with your comments per se, but if you're really a social media ambassador be honest about it and don't pretend your comments are entirely independent.

Re: Ruthless Quotas at Amazon Are Maiming Employees

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The article mistates a cause and effect. The injuries are not caused by Amazon's need to move packages they're caused by Amazon's unreasonable and apparently unsafe systemic requierements on employees. Amazon could move the packages it needs with more employees more safely but have chosen not to.

If anything the problem, going by the story, has to do with Amazon's hiring practices. Anyone with a brain could guess that a 54 year old female new hire is at greater liability of injury when performing this sort of work. But I imagine she wouldn't have applied if she didn't need the money so is it better to 'protect' every worker because some chose to take a risk?

Re: Ruthless Quotas at Amazon Are Maiming Employees

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The article mistates a cause and effect. The injuries are not caused by Amazon's need to move packages they're caused by Amazon's unreasonable and apparently unsafe systemic requierements on employees. Amazon could move the packages it needs with more employees more safely but have chosen not to.

If anything the problem, going by the story, has to do with Amazon's hiring practices. Anyone with a brain could guess that a 54 year old female new hire is at greater liability of injury when performing this sort of work. But I imagine she wouldn't have applied if she didn't need the money so is it better to 'protect' every worker because some chose to take a risk?

If anything?? There seem to be a few problems that are unrelated to hiring practices. These warehouses are deathtraps regardless of your age or other attributes.

Re: Ruthless Quotas at Amazon Are Maiming Employees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're right that in this mix the robots will win. Amazon is working to automate their logistics as much as possible --but I think they should do it in a way more human way. They should design their process with people in mind and keep people's well being and limits in mind when designing as well as when managing people. Unionization is not an answer, well it might be but only temporarily as most people in fu…

Unionization is only one component. The other is taxing automation.

No better to do a UBI. The jobs aren't good for the workers, only the money is.

Minimum wage you can think of as subsidizing automation—pay more or automate. That's not bad to the worker, and not a policy I'd complain about, but the tech industry doesn't deserve the subsidy.

UBI is more neutral, you pay more whether you automate or not, and the worker still has more negotiating power. This is better.

Re: Ruthless Quotas at Amazon Are Maiming Employees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unionization is only one component. The other is taxing automation.

No better to do a UBI. The jobs aren't good for the workers, only the money is. Minimum wage you can think of as subsidizing automation—pay more or automate. That's not bad to the worker, and not a policy I'd complain about, but the tech industry doesn't deserve the subsidy. UBI is more neutral, you pay more whether you automate or not, and the worker still has more negotiating power. This is better.

I think UBI should be the end goal, but we're not ready as a people for it yet. Too much feeling versus rational economic thought.

Re: Ruthless Quotas at Amazon Are Maiming Employees

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anything the problem, going by the story, has to do with Amazon's hiring practices. Anyone with a brain could guess that a 54 year old female new hire is at greater liability of injury when performing this sort of work. But I imagine she wouldn't have applied if she didn't need the money so is it better to 'protect' every worker because some chose to take a risk?

If anything?? There seem to be a few problems that are unrelated to hiring practices. These warehouses are deathtraps regardless of your age or other attributes.

Weird how that wasn't in the story at all but you managed to insert it anyway.

Re: Ruthless Quotas at Amazon Are Maiming Employees

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The article mistates a cause and effect. The injuries are not caused by Amazon's need to move packages they're caused by Amazon's unreasonable and apparently unsafe systemic requierements on employees. Amazon could move the packages it needs with more employees more safely but have chosen not to.

If anything the problem, going by the story, has to do with Amazon's hiring practices. Anyone with a brain could guess that a 54 year old female new hire is at greater liability of injury when performing this sort of work. But I imagine she wouldn't have applied if she didn't need the money so is it better to 'protect' every worker because some chose to take a risk?

It's not warehouse work like traditional warehouse work. It's mostly sorting and putting items on shelves and in boxes. Lots of people that ave work in stores doing that all the time.

It's unreasonable workload/productivity requirements that are the problem.

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