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New universe of miniproteins is upending cell biology and genetics

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Re: New universe of miniproteins is upending cell biology and genetics

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Disclaimer: These are novel chemicals and most sources you can find them from are questionable at best. Don't even consider using these without deeply researching the risks from the specific peptide, the quality control of the supplier, as well as the inherent risks of injecting substances of questionable purity. --- BPC-157 is a really interesting peptide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BPC-157 "It has been tested in…

I've been trying to get the capsule form of it for gut repair, but there are only two companies that make it and they are always out of stock. BPC-157 is certainly interesting and I would love to try it.

Re: New universe of miniproteins is upending cell biology and genetics

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Disclaimer: These are novel chemicals and most sources you can find them from are questionable at best. Don't even consider using these without deeply researching the risks from the specific peptide, the quality control of the supplier, as well as the inherent risks of injecting substances of questionable purity. --- BPC-157 is a really interesting peptide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BPC-157 "It has been tested in…

> one individual used for several months and went from a pasty caucasian to looking Indian or almost Black Crazy to think there's people out there doing this not for a high, maybe not even for science, but for...?

Wow, this isn't the one I saw, but good demonstration of potential results https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/18oy72/before_after_pi...

Re: New universe of miniproteins is upending cell biology and genetics

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post #8

Disclaimer: These are novel chemicals and most sources you can find them from are questionable at best. Don't even consider using these without deeply researching the risks from the specific peptide, the quality control of the supplier, as well as the inherent risks of injecting substances of questionable purity. --- BPC-157 is a really interesting peptide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BPC-157 "It has been tested in…

I've been trying to get the capsule form of it for gut repair, but there are only two companies that make it and they are always out of stock. BPC-157 is certainly interesting and I would love to try it.

I've read of people preparing the injectable form with bacteriostatic water and syringing it directly into the back of their throat and swallowing, or into a capsule for swallowing.

Definitely do your own research before forging ahead - these are uncharted waters with inherent risk - but it is supposedly stable in gastric juices so I don't think encapsulation necessarily requires anything fancy.

Re: New universe of miniproteins is upending cell biology and genetics

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Imagine trying to understand biology like we try to understand what we code day to day. I would need a brain at least 100x as large and efficient.

This is "the andy grove fallacy": it's not clear that you actually can, because code and computational hardware was designed by humans and biology emphatically was not.

http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2007/11/06/and...

Re: New universe of miniproteins is upending cell biology and genetics

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post #12
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> one individual used for several months and went from a pasty caucasian to looking Indian or almost Black Crazy to think there's people out there doing this not for a high, maybe not even for science, but for...?

Wow, this isn't the one I saw, but good demonstration of potential results https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/18oy72/before_after_pi...

That is bizarre. From the comments:

"The side effects reported were mild nausea and a "stretching and yawning complex" that correlated with spontaneous penile erections."

It's great that there's some folks out there experimenting, but I think I'll wait a generation or two before joining in.

Re: New universe of miniproteins is upending cell biology and genetics

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* 'Small proteins also promise to revise the current understanding of the genome. Many appear to be encoded in stretches of DNA—and RNA—that were not thought to help build proteins of any sort. Some researchers speculate that the short stretches of DNA could be newborn genes, on their way to evolving into larger genes that make full-size proteins. Thanks in part to small proteins, "We need to rethink what genes are,"…

This is why you should be very skeptical of anyone who claims transparency between genetics and complex phenotypes.

Indeed. The whole "One Gene, One Protein [One Phenotype]" [1] dogma went out quite some time ago.

... But people and genetic testing companies seem to want to keep it going.

[1] - https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/george-w-beadles-one-gene-one-e...

Re: New universe of miniproteins is upending cell biology and genetics

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* 'Small proteins also promise to revise the current understanding of the genome. Many appear to be encoded in stretches of DNA—and RNA—that were not thought to help build proteins of any sort. Some researchers speculate that the short stretches of DNA could be newborn genes, on their way to evolving into larger genes that make full-size proteins. Thanks in part to small proteins, "We need to rethink what genes are,"…

We aren't curing aging any time soon are we :(?

Re: New universe of miniproteins is upending cell biology and genetics

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Disclaimer: These are novel chemicals and most sources you can find them from are questionable at best. Don't even consider using these without deeply researching the risks from the specific peptide, the quality control of the supplier, as well as the inherent risks of injecting substances of questionable purity. --- BPC-157 is a really interesting peptide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BPC-157 "It has been tested in…

Melatonin and Melanin are closely related chemicals that are used all over the body and are synthesized in the body through related mechanisms and pathways. Melatonin is used in the sleep-wake cycle and melanin is used by the skin to darken it and protect from solar radiation. When you need to sleep and when you need solar protection tend to be inversely related. The interaction between these processes is still being studied and is likely to involve many other things currently not under study.

In general, unless you are under the close supervision of your doctor, I would HIGHLY AVOID injecting peptides or really any other thing into you. In relation to just melanin and melatonin, the interactions are complicated and not well understood. We likely do not have the full picture of what melanin is doing in your body and there could be big problems. There also could be no problems at all. That said, I would not want to be the test cases for a M&M conference on this.

I do not think that people on /r/peptides are doing anything but unnecessarily putting their health at risk and (possibly) doing harm to their families, friends, and other relationships. As we know so little about this area of research, the risks are not well constrained and could result in death or worse. When it comes to health and wellness, especially biochemically, it is much better to leave it to ethical and well trained medical researchers that know what to look out for and how to help when things go bad. Auto-biochem hacking is a hard pass from me for now.

Re: New universe of miniproteins is upending cell biology and genetics

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, this isn't the one I saw, but good demonstration of potential results https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/18oy72/before_after_pi...

That is bizarre. From the comments: "The side effects reported were mild nausea and a "stretching and yawning complex" that correlated with spontaneous penile erections." It's great that there's some folks out there experimenting, but I think I'll wait a generation or two before joining in.

No kidding, good luck guys and gals. Let me know how that goes in twenty years.
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