Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome • Hacker News Board

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by Deimorz » Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 12:03 AM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #2

I just don't understand how so many people in the HN community, who are so vocal about privacy, turn around and use Chrome. Don't feed the beast.

The same reason that so many of them continue working for companies that blatantly violate principles they claim are important to them (privacy, open-source, anti-advertising, etc.):

It's easy to be vocal about principles, but when it comes down to it, very few people are actually willing to impact their own comfort or convenience to truly follow them. It's simpler to just come up with a reasonable-seeming justification for why you're not really supporting things you claim to be opposed to.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by ljm » Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 12:13 AM UTC

rinchik wrote: post #10

If you care about privacy these days: Remote self-destructible VM for browsing with Firefox in incognito mode (only sites you NEED to, that REQUIRE JS), through multiple VPNs over multiple proxies. Everything else is command line HTML parsers (also on different, remote VMs), or API endpoints (HN API as an example?). Need email service? Self-hosted, tiny email-server somewhere in eastern Europe. DDNS etc. Local machin…

Not the world-wide-web that was first dreamed of, eh?

That collaborative one.

That sharing one.

That innocent one.

But thank the universe we still have it.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by ljm » Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 12:20 AM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #2

I just don't understand how so many people in the HN community, who are so vocal about privacy, turn around and use Chrome. Don't feed the beast.

Chrome made a better walled garden out of the web than any other browser.

People want apps. Not browsers.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by zzo38computer » Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 12:22 AM UTC

rinchik wrote: post #10

If you care about privacy these days: Remote self-destructible VM for browsing with Firefox in incognito mode (only sites you NEED to, that REQUIRE JS), through multiple VPNs over multiple proxies. Everything else is command line HTML parsers (also on different, remote VMs), or API endpoints (HN API as an example?). Need email service? Self-hosted, tiny email-server somewhere in eastern Europe. DDNS etc. Local machin…

I use local self-hosted email service. I do think public API endpoints would be good thing to have, and/or other protocols, that you will have command line programs to use. (That is one reason I invented remote virtual table protocol, although other existing protocols can also be used for many purposes; in some cases, HTTP is best anyways, too. And some protocols are too complicated! That is why to have a simpler one, such as httpdirlist instead of WebDAV.)

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by pmoriarty » Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 12:28 AM UTC

anfilt wrote: post #5

reaperducer wrote: post #2

I just don't understand how so many people in the HN community, who are so vocal about privacy, turn around and use Chrome. Don't feed the beast.

I have been using Firefox since version 1.0. I don't understand the desire to use google's browser. However, why would even trying view secure data in your web-browser... Not even just Chrome. Things may get cached ect... Although, Mozilla has been doing things that I find annoying at times. Like adding pocket ect... Little Rant Although, I have looked at some of the other forks. What I find more depressing is how fe…

"It's a sign that web standards are getting too complicated."

Is there precedent for standards significantly simplifying over time, or do they always tend to get more and more complex?

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by cptskippy » Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 12:31 AM UTC

woolvalley wrote: post #9

anfilt wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been using Firefox since version 1.0. I don't understand the desire to use google's browser. However, why would even trying view secure data in your web-browser... Not even just Chrome. Things may get cached ect... Although, Mozilla has been doing things that I find annoying at times. Like adding pocket ect... Little Rant Although, I have looked at some of the other forks. What I find more depressing is how fe…

Firefox performs badly, especially on my 2-core macbook. Quantum is still not fast enough with many pages I use, I bet most devs do not test on firefox anymore and I've found FF unusable unless you use a 4 core machine, otherwise you get many random pauses here and there. So my choice is chrome or safari. Safari is not customizable enough for me so chrome it is.

I use Firefox as my daily driver and I am consistently amazed by how slow Chrome is whenever I load it up for a debug session or to access a work related site (it's the new IE, sites only support it).

Most Google sites are faster than Firefox (big surprise /s) but most everything else is the same or slower. I thought Chrome was supposed to be fast, it feels like a turd.

I have a Yoga 2 (4 years old) and my laptop fan revs up like a harrier jump jet whenever I load Chrome. Firefox only manages to make it purr loudly.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by myko » Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 12:31 AM UTC

IAmGraydon wrote: post #3

If you care about privacy, you really shouldn’t be using a browser that was created by a company that makes its money by learning everything about you and reselling it to the highest bidder.

> and reselling it to the highest bidder.

This isn't a thing that Google does

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by brobdingnagians » Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 12:31 AM UTC

anfilt wrote: post #5

reaperducer wrote: post #2

I just don't understand how so many people in the HN community, who are so vocal about privacy, turn around and use Chrome. Don't feed the beast.

I have been using Firefox since version 1.0. I don't understand the desire to use google's browser. However, why would even trying view secure data in your web-browser... Not even just Chrome. Things may get cached ect... Although, Mozilla has been doing things that I find annoying at times. Like adding pocket ect... Little Rant Although, I have looked at some of the other forks. What I find more depressing is how fe…

Maybe over-complicating things is a way of eliminating competition from Google. If it wasn't so complicated, someone could easily offer a competing, privacy-oriented browser; which Google would not like-- so make it so hideously complex no one can do it without $50 mil? There would be more innovation if things were simple, because anyone with a good idea could contribute.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by sctb » Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 12:34 AM UTC

yuhong wrote: post #6

This reminds me that I have private email threads with JoshMnem regarding my essay/overview.

You've been doing this for months and months and we already asked you to stop, so we've banned the account. We'd like to unban you, so please email hn@ycombinator.com and let us know that you'll stop with the essay!

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Post by WalterGR » Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 12:36 AM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #2

I just don't understand how so many people in the HN community, who are so vocal about privacy, turn around and use Chrome. Don't feed the beast.

I just don't understand how so many people in the HN community, who are so vocal about privacy, turn around and use Chrome.

The amount of blind trust that people - including very technical people - gift to Google is rather shocking.