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Re: Facebook points finger at Google and Twitter for data collection

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Post by nkozyra »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #5

>That said, other tech companies have gotten off light. Whether it’s because Apple and Google aren’t CEO’d by their founders any more, or we’ve grown to see iOS and Android as such underlying platforms that they aren’t responsible for what third-party developers do, scrutiny has focused on Zuckerberg and Facebook. Maybe Zuckerberg should do the same thing Larry Page did. Create a parent company for Facebook (maybe ca…

I think this discounts the ways in which Facebook differs from Google and Apple as it relates to open, sprawling access to user data.

The alphabet conglomeration didn't obfuscate similar issues, nor would Zuckerberg following suit. Facebook's issues are related to unfettered access to a user and their graph(s) and sensitive information. More importantly that they knew of the risk and did little in response.

Obviously Google and Apple have their own privacy issues to account for, but it's fundamentally different.

Re: Facebook points finger at Google and Twitter for data collection

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Post by tested24 »

ethanwillis wrote: post #8
test42 wrote: post #2

I feel like whoever wrote this article missed the point completely. For the internet to function, websites need your information. If you want to log into a website using Facebook login, Facebook needs to know what website you are logging into. When you watch a Youtube video on someone else's website, in order for that data to be sent to you they need to know what your IP address is and they need to know what website…

HIPAA has IP addresses listed as one of the unique identifiers you must protect in your dataset.

Only when associated with medical records...

I'm the same person as the other account btw, not trying to hide that.

Re: Facebook points finger at Google and Twitter for data collection

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Post by ztratar »

ethanwillis wrote: post #8
test42 wrote: post #2

I feel like whoever wrote this article missed the point completely. For the internet to function, websites need your information. If you want to log into a website using Facebook login, Facebook needs to know what website you are logging into. When you watch a Youtube video on someone else's website, in order for that data to be sent to you they need to know what your IP address is and they need to know what website…

HIPAA has IP addresses listed as one of the unique identifiers you must protect in your dataset.

Sure, when you're explicitly dealing with patient health data... which is not remotely in Facebook's realm.

Re: Facebook points finger at Google and Twitter for data collection

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Post by uptown »

test42 wrote: post #2

I feel like whoever wrote this article missed the point completely. For the internet to function, websites need your information. If you want to log into a website using Facebook login, Facebook needs to know what website you are logging into. When you watch a Youtube video on someone else's website, in order for that data to be sent to you they need to know what your IP address is and they need to know what website…

"If you want to log into a website using Facebook login, Facebook needs to know what website you are logging into."

Agreed. But what if you don't want to log into that website, or maybe that site has no login at all. If it has a Facebook "Like" button, that site still sends a ping back to Facebook, letting them know you were there, and feeding Facebook's algorithm about your interests. Same goes for Google Analytics, a Twitter share button, or the growing list of tracking scripts which get executed upon page load without even showing a visual indicator that they serve some purpose.

I'd guess that the vast majority of visitors have no idea that by visiting a 3rd party site, they're feeding that visit to the list of 3rd party trackers you find on many sites today.

Re: Facebook points finger at Google and Twitter for data collection

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Post by tested24 »

uptown wrote: post #14
test42 wrote: post #2

I feel like whoever wrote this article missed the point completely. For the internet to function, websites need your information. If you want to log into a website using Facebook login, Facebook needs to know what website you are logging into. When you watch a Youtube video on someone else's website, in order for that data to be sent to you they need to know what your IP address is and they need to know what website…

"If you want to log into a website using Facebook login, Facebook needs to know what website you are logging into." Agreed. But what if you don't want to log into that website, or maybe that site has no login at all. If it has a Facebook "Like" button, that site still sends a ping back to Facebook, letting them know you were there, and feeding Facebook's algorithm about your interests. Same goes for Google Analytics,…

If people were educated with how the internet works they would know that the second you load some piece of content from someone else's servers they have your information as well.

Re: Facebook points finger at Google and Twitter for data collection

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Post by uptown »

ztratar wrote: post #13
ethanwillis wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HIPAA has IP addresses listed as one of the unique identifiers you must protect in your dataset.

Sure, when you're explicitly dealing with patient health data... which is not remotely in Facebook's realm.

Are you sure?

"Facebook sent a doctor on a secret mission to ask hospitals to share patient data"

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/facebook-building-8-explored...

"Facebook held a special breakfast for drug marketers about recruiting people for clinical trials"

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/07/facebook-held-a-breakfast-to...

"How Facebook can ‘unblind’ a clinical trial"

https://www.outsourcing-pharma.com/Article/2014/06/09/Pfizer...

Re: Facebook points finger at Google and Twitter for data collection

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Post by nabc45 »

oh-kumudo wrote: post #4
hemantv wrote: post #3

Hopefully, this starts a meaningful conversation about what other people are also doing. I am not a fan of Facebook but this might get the ball rolling on broader legislation similar to GDPR in US.

Under current administration? No.

Because Obama or Hillary would surely do it. Come on man...

Re: Facebook points finger at Google and Twitter for data collection

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Post by JKCalhoun »

test42 wrote: post #2

I feel like whoever wrote this article missed the point completely. For the internet to function, websites need your information. If you want to log into a website using Facebook login, Facebook needs to know what website you are logging into. When you watch a Youtube video on someone else's website, in order for that data to be sent to you they need to know what your IP address is and they need to know what website…

> If you want to log into a website using Facebook login

I don't.

Re: Facebook points finger at Google and Twitter for data collection

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

tested24 wrote: post #15
uptown wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you want to log into a website using Facebook login, Facebook needs to know what website you are logging into." Agreed. But what if you don't want to log into that website, or maybe that site has no login at all. If it has a Facebook "Like" button, that site still sends a ping back to Facebook, letting them know you were there, and feeding Facebook's algorithm about your interests. Same goes for Google Analytics,…

If people were educated with how the internet works they would know that the second you load some piece of content from someone else's servers they have your information as well.

> If people were educated with how the internet works they would now that the second you load some piece of content from someone else's servers they have your information as well

People aren't. That's why we have laws like Lemon laws [1]--so everyone doesn't have to be a specialist.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_law

Re: Facebook points finger at Google and Twitter for data collection

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Post by uptown »

tested24 wrote: post #15
uptown wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you want to log into a website using Facebook login, Facebook needs to know what website you are logging into." Agreed. But what if you don't want to log into that website, or maybe that site has no login at all. If it has a Facebook "Like" button, that site still sends a ping back to Facebook, letting them know you were there, and feeding Facebook's algorithm about your interests. Same goes for Google Analytics,…

If people were educated with how the internet works they would know that the second you load some piece of content from someone else's servers they have your information as well.

Yes, clearly every website user should have an in-depth understanding of how DOM elements are generated on the browser. Seriously, how can one know how a button is produced on a page without inspecting the underlying source code, or looking at the network traffic on the developer console? Even then, this behavior can be obsfucated in the code, and in order to produce the page to generate the content to inspect, you've already generated the remote ping.
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