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Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#11

This is not a dupe of his previous apology (which has been deleted). This is something else entirely that will be talked about years later. To give you an idea of what it’s about, it starts with “I have rejected my lawyer’s advice to not make a statement”

> This is something else entirely that will be talked about years later.

I don't think he's nearly famous enough for anything he says to be talked about years later. He'll most likely be forgotten, there are plenty of other pitchmen in the Valley to take his role.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#12
post #3

None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power. This is not true and it does not look good for him to say it: The legal and social understanding of sexual harassment, however, varies by culture. In the context of US employment, the harasser can be the victim's supervisor, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker,…

It's incredibly difficult to talk about this specific post in a constructive way without wallowing in the mud.

The content makes child-like arguments[0] and contradictory statements[1] to the point where it feels like an unstable foundation to have a conversation. It's like trying to have a debate where neither side agrees with the foundational logic of the other sides arguments.

[0] - "None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power"

[1] - "Perhaps because they felt peer pressure to join the #MeToo bandwagon, perhaps because they felt slighted for other reasons. I won’t speculate on their motives."

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#13
I think this can be best described as "sinking the boat just to kill the captain."

In the interest of being the devil's advocate: if he is telling the truth, this looks very bad for several of the women that accused him of sexual harassment, and tried to inflate his cheating on his wife into something much worse.

I mean, this sounds a lot like how some women accuse guys of rape just to cause harm to them, instead of a rape actually having occurred. Such actions are harmful to women, harmful to society as a whole, and actively work against the ideals of feminism and make it harder for feminists to have a meaningful dialog with both men and women alike.

If his version of events is even remotely true, merely saying "two wrongs don't make a right" isn't even scratching the surface, and indicates a very large problem in the tech industry community.

I have no clue if they are true, or how true they are, but I believe that because he disregarded his lawyer's advice and made a statement, there is at least a little bit of truth here.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#14

So, honest question: Are men allowed to approach women in a sexualized context ever again? If so, when?

Since it was originally addressed to me and you claim it is an honest question:

Mostly not in work settings or work related settings, and much more carefully than in the past when dating norms hinged on the assumption that men were providers and women were destined to become homemakers. You have to consider how this impacts both your career and hers, not just yours alone.

To give an example that I hope elucidates something: A senior programmer at the company I worked for asked for a date under circumstances that did not constitute bad behavior insofar as being against company rules, nor would be a problem for his career. But it basically slammed doors shut in my face and made it less likely I could get a job in the department he worked in. He was an otherwise attractive man that I might have happily got involved with, but his monstrous disregard for how this impacted my career prospects was a deal breaker for me.

I hope sex becomes a less touchy topic over time, but I don't imagine it will ever stop being an issue.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#15
> I don’t have employees, I don’t cut checks for investment. None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power.

This is an incredibly disgusting and miss-guided view of sexual harassment.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#17
post #12
post #3

None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power. This is not true and it does not look good for him to say it: The legal and social understanding of sexual harassment, however, varies by culture. In the context of US employment, the harasser can be the victim's supervisor, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker,…

It's incredibly difficult to talk about this specific post in a constructive way without wallowing in the mud. The content makes child-like arguments[0] and contradictory statements[1] to the point where it feels like an unstable foundation to have a conversation. It's like trying to have a debate where neither side agrees with the foundational logic of the other sides arguments. [0] - "None of the women who came for…

True. That's why I issued a challenge. I realize it is a difficult thing I am asking of people.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#18
Without making any moral judgments here, the guy has a valid point in that it's important to make a distinction between cheating in a relationship and sexual harassment. The former is a non-illegal, personal matter, and the latter is a criminal matter. I think most people probably aren't interested in making this distinction and would prefer to indiscriminately shun either kind of person, but this the importance of this lies in the #MeToo thing becoming a witchhunt. Sexual harassment/assault/rape is different that many other crimes in that mere accusations, convictions be damned, can completely ruin an otherwise innocent person's life. I could definitely imagine the #MeToo tag being used to shame someone, because it has reached witchhunt proportions. See the recent claims about H.W. Bush.

I claim to know nothing about what actually happened between this guy and these women, and all of the armchair judges here that are jumping to conclusions ought to realize that they, too, know nothing.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#19
I have no knowledge of this issue specifically, but more generally, if you're even a somewhat public figure, I think the best course of action is to have a discreet 24/7 bodycam rolling to record all of your interactions. We're at a point where your career and social network can be torpedoed by anyone merely making a claim on social media. No police, no day in court, just allegations are enough.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#20
I'll preface this with, I don't know who this guy is and this is the first time I heard anything about this, I am unfamiliar with the allegations.

I am just absolutely shocked by this

>I don’t have employees, I don’t cut checks for investment. None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power.

JFC, does anyone actually believe this? This is absolutely... Shocking. Disturbing... I have no words...

Shouldn't he have consulted with the EEOC before making such a bold statement?

https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sexual_harassment.cfm

>The harasser can be the victim's supervisor, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or someone who is not an employee of the employer, such as a client or customer.

It just makes it seem like he has no idea what appropriate behavior is at all. Really takes away from his credibility. Makes me think he's a total creep but thinks it's other people who are the problem.

Also, it stood out to me it seems odd that he used "sexual harassment" as a proper noun.

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