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Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by drama-queen »

annonwhatever wrote: post #2

Java EE going the way of the Dodo

JEE is fundamentally a component container spec. The core APIs are sound. Servlets, for example, is a little gem of coherent abstraction.

A rethink of the provider/deployment end of the equation for the world of k8 mesos etc. could resurrect it.

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by forgotpw1123 »

csours wrote: post #4

Can someone explain what Java EE really means? I tried to parse the bundle and license the last time this came up, and I didn't really get anywhere.

the more esoteric corners of Java. It's like someone just offered to support windows XP forever. I highly recommenced donating to the Eclipse Foundation, they have made an impact far out of proportion to their size close to Bill Gates, but what they're doing for the good of us all might not be profitable.

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Post by xienze »

forgotpw1123 wrote: post #12
csours wrote: post #4

Can someone explain what Java EE really means? I tried to parse the bundle and license the last time this came up, and I didn't really get anywhere.

the more esoteric corners of Java. It's like someone just offered to support windows XP forever. I highly recommenced donating to the Eclipse Foundation, they have made an impact far out of proportion to their size close to Bill Gates, but what they're doing for the good of us all might not be profitable.

There's nothing esoteric about Java EE at all, what are you talking about? It has, among other things, the standard API for creating REST services, data binding via XML and JSON, persistence, etc.

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Post by xienze »

camus2 wrote: post #9
csours wrote: post #4

Can someone explain what Java EE really means? I tried to parse the bundle and license the last time this came up, and I didn't really get anywhere.

> Can someone explain what Java EE really means? I tried to parse the bundle and license the last time this came up, and I didn't really get anywhere. It's no different than Web standards between browsers, it's a collection of API specifications describing how web applications should be architectured in Java. Then different libraries can follow the spec. JavaEE also has a reference implementation which used to be don…

> I mean who cares about JSF(java server face, a way to describe "HTML GUI widgets" in XML)

Well, a lot of people did because once upon a time that's how we wrote applications (primarily via server-side rendering).

> when most applications use a RESTful architecture?

Java EE has an API for that...

> JEE has a lot of technical debt

Can't argue with that, but it comes in the form of APIs you don't have to use.

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by shagie »

This is IBM finally beating Sun over control of enterprise Java - something they've been fighting for for well over a decade (and much closer to two). IBM has been trying to get the Java process away from Sun - and they even backed an IDE to compete with NetBeans.

Eclipse... of the Sun (Microsystems).

Apparently, Oracle has finally gotten tired of IBM (through Eclipse) saying "we can do it better" and trying to manage it and said "ok - you can do it."

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by horusthecat »

geodel wrote: post #5

Java EE seems drag on Oracle's cloud future. One can see where Oracle would like to focus, at least, through their open source efforts [1]. 1. https://github.com/oracle

I heard some scuttlebutt about two years ago after Oracle got rid of some Java people that Oracle had wanted to leverage Java-as-a-Service as a cloud product, sort of like Google Compute, but just never managed to get there... The Sun acquisition, someone told me, "was a hardware acquisition". With SPARC/Solaris dead, Sun staff gone and the lawsuits against Google over Java faltering Oracle has sucked the last marrow out of the bones and is just casting them off now.
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